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Subject: Re: A Bigger Chess Game - Would It Help Humans Or Computers?

Author: Pekka Karjalainen

Date: 23:23:23 02/22/01

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On February 22, 2001 at 14:29:35, Uri Blass wrote:

>The main problem is that humans do not know to define the way that they >[computers] think.

  I certainly agree that humans could do it much better!  And they will,
eventually.  We have an interesting future ahead of us.

>
>computers are faster than humans in calculations and a thinking game is only
>calculations.

  But I am not so sure about this.  Chess, go, checkers, even nine-mens-morris
is not just calculations as far as I can tell.  There is, for humans, a
significant portion of pattern recognition.  In chess you might look at the
position and recognize certain features (that we all know from texts on strategy
of the game) immediately and start to reason and form plans based on them.

  I would not call this "only calculations" myself...  It certainly is not a
simple process to program, even though it feels simple to us when we're doing it
(relatively speaking).

>
>Humans do not know to define the calculation that they do in games and this is
>the reason that I say that they are bad programmers.

  Well, I am not going to completely disagree with you.  I'd rather express my
view that some of this calculation what we humans do is so complex (think of how
many neurons we all have in our brains) that it is really hard to do with the
current level of computer hardware.  Perhaps even impossible.

  The above saying sounds to me a little like saying that humans are stupid and
lazy because they haven't yet build spaceships to conquer the whole solar
systems.  I mean, these things are quite *tough* tasks to do :-)

>
>Uri

  Pekka



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