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Subject: Re: More doubts with gandalf

Author: Pete Galati

Date: 16:18:05 02/24/01

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On February 24, 2001 at 18:58:07, Mogens Larsen wrote:

>On February 24, 2001 at 17:20:10, Fernando Villegas wrote:
>
>>The point is the sheer size of the jump from one kind of hardware to another. Of
>>course I know, as everydoby else, about improvements due to equipment, but this
>>one is so large that, looking things from a reverse point of view, It could be
>>said that the negative jump from a very fast hardware to a more average one is
>>too great. And if the negative jump is too great, then I have certain ground to
>>consider that when the product was commercially released  they did not put
>>enough concern in how the thing was going to run in an average kind of machine
>>proper of the average consummer, even in CCC. Or to say again in another way:
>>delivery was premature at the cost of the purchaser. My idea is that even in
>>chess programming, as in fact practically does almost every company of
>>programmer, you ensure that the release will be enough good for the average
>>machine proper of time. That's the reason that we, with machines from 90 to 800
>>Mhz, all can say this or that product is very good, etc, although  recognizing
>>that with the fastest one is better. The point is they give us something good
>>even when running in no so fast equipment. So we not complain about Tiber or
>>Rebel on the ground that they only run OK when loaded in a 1,2 Giga monster.
>>I hope my point is clear, Mogens
>
>Yes, I do understand what you're saying. The point just isn't a valid concern in
>my opinion. To my knowledge all top chess programs performs at a high level on
>less than impressive hardware. There may be problems with certain processors
>or/and very low clock speeds, but nothing that spoils the experience of a good
>chess program AFAIK.
>
>The ones that don't, comparatively speaking, do so because of the way they're
>constructed by the author. A prime example would probably be CS Tal, even though
>I've never tried the program. It would be a shame if that project had been
>compromised or cancelled due to speculations about processor speed.
>
>Requirement of certain conditions that needs to be fulfilled imposes a
>limitation on ideas IMO. That isn't a sound development for the consumer or the
>program authors.
>
>So I honestly don't see a problem lurking in the horizon.
>
>Regards,
>Mogens

Anyway, Gandalf is far from being a mass market consumer program like for
example Chessmaster or Fritz.  It is however a very interesting first example of
a comercial Chess program that is only a Winboard engine, and not a Winboard
engine that is also offered with an interface Chess program (like Nimzo).

As far as money spent on a program vs strength and versitility, it's still not
posible to get more for your dollar than downloading Crafty.  But for someone
who collects Chess programs, Gandalf might be considered a must have type of
purchase because it breaks new ground.

I'll be very interested in seeing how it finishes up in this tournament.

Pete



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