Author: jonas cohonas
Date: 12:43:45 03/17/01
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On March 17, 2001 at 13:49:47, Uri Blass wrote: >On March 17, 2001 at 13:43:30, jonas cohonas wrote: > >>On March 17, 2001 at 13:04:29, Antonio Senatore wrote: >> >>>It seems incredible that a top chess program like Junior 6 (without the KPPKB >>>tablebase but with the KBK and the KBKP tables) CAN'T SEE MATE IN ONE in the >>>next position: >>> >>>7k/4pK1p/7B/8/8/8/8/8 w - - >>> >>>Junior neither can see mate in one in the following positions (without KNNKP >>>tablebase): >>> >>>8/8/8/8/6N1/5NK1/7p/7k w - - >>> >>>8/8/8/8/8/6NK/3N1p2/6k1 w - - >>> >>> >>>In the next position, he can't see mate in two: >>> >>>7k/3N4/6KN/8/8/8/7p/8 w - - >>> >>>Let's hope in the next update this problem is resolved. >>> >>>Regards. >>> >>>Antonio >> >>New position >>7k/4pK1p/7B/8/8/8/8/8 w - - 0 1 >> >>Analysis by Junior 6.0: >> >>1.Bf8 e5 >> = (-0.07) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >>1.Bg7# >> +- (#1) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >>1.Bg7# >> +- (#1) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >> >>(, MyTown 18.03.2001) >> >>New position >>8/8/8/8/6N1/5NK1/7p/7k w - - 0 1 >> >>Analysis by Junior 6.0: >> >>1.Ngxh2 >> = (0.00) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >>1.Ngxh2 >> = (0.00) Depth: 6 00:00:00, tb=1 >>1.Ngxh2 >> = (0.00) Depth: 9 00:00:00, tb=3 >>1.Ngxh2 >> = (0.00) Depth: 12 00:00:00, tb=5 >>1.Ngxh2 >> = (0.00) Depth: 15 00:00:00, tb=7 >>1.Ngxh2 >> = (0.00) Depth: 18 00:00:00, tb=9 >>1.Ngxh2 >> = (0.00) Depth: 21 00:00:00, tb=11 >>1.Ngxh2 >> = (0.00) Depth: 24 00:00:00 1kN, tb=13 >>1.Ngxh2 >> = (0.00) Depth: 27 00:00:00 1kN, tb=15 >>1.Ngxh2 >> = (0.00) Depth: 30 00:00:00 1kN, tb=17 >>1.Ngxh2 >> = (0.00) Depth: 33 00:00:00 1kN, tb=19 >>1.Ngxh2 >> = (0.00) Depth: 36 00:00:00 2kN, tb=21 >>1.Ngxh2 >> = (0.00) Depth: 39 00:00:00 2kN, tb=23 >>1.Ngxh2 >> = (0.00) Depth: 42 00:00:00 2kN, tb=25 >>1.Ngxh2 >> = (0.00) Depth: 45 00:00:00 3kN, tb=27 >>1.Ngxh2 >> = (0.00) Depth: 48 00:00:00 3kN, tb=29 >>1.Ngxh2 >> = (0.00) Depth: 51 00:00:00 3kN, tb=31 >>1.Ngxh2 >> = (0.00) Depth: 54 00:00:00 4kN, tb=33 >>1.Ngxh2 >> = (0.00) Depth: 57 00:00:00 4kN, tb=35 >>1.Ngxh2 >> = (0.00) Depth: 60 00:00:00 5kN, tb=37 >>1.Ngxh2 >> = (0.00) Depth: 63 00:00:00 5kN, tb=39 >>1.Ngxh2 >> = (0.00) Depth: 63 00:00:00 5kN, tb=40 >> >>(, MyTown 18.03.2001) >> >>New position >>8/8/8/8/8/6NK/3N1p2/6k1 w - - 0 1 >> >>Analysis by Junior 6.0: >> >>1.Nh1 >> = (0.00) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >>1.Nh1 >> = (0.00) Depth: 6 00:00:00 >>1.Nh1 >> = (0.00) Depth: 9 00:00:00, tb=5 >>1.Nh1 >> = (0.00) Depth: 12 00:00:00, tb=18 >>1.Nh1 >> = (0.00) Depth: 15 00:00:00 1kN, tb=32 >>1.Nh1 >> = (0.00) Depth: 18 00:00:00 1kN, tb=46 >>1.Nh1 >> = (0.00) Depth: 21 00:00:00 2kN, tb=60 >>1.Nh1 >> = (0.00) Depth: 24 00:00:00 2kN, tb=74 >>1.Nh1 >> = (0.00) Depth: 27 00:00:00 3kN, tb=88 >>1.Nh1 >> = (0.00) Depth: 30 00:00:00 3kN, tb=102 >>1.Nh1 >> = (0.00) Depth: 33 00:00:00 4kN, tb=116 >>1.Nh1 >> = (0.00) Depth: 36 00:00:00 4kN, tb=130 >>1.Nh1 >> = (0.00) Depth: 39 00:00:00 5kN, tb=144 >>1.Nh1 >> = (0.00) Depth: 42 00:00:00 5kN, tb=158 >>1.Nh1 >> = (0.00) Depth: 45 00:00:00 6kN, tb=172 >>1.Nh1 >> = (0.00) Depth: 48 00:00:00 7kN, tb=186 >>1.Nh1 >> = (0.00) Depth: 51 00:00:00 7kN, tb=200 >>1.Nh1 >> = (0.00) Depth: 54 00:00:00 8kN, tb=214 >>1.Nh1 >> = (0.00) Depth: 57 00:00:00 9kN, tb=228 >>1.Nh1 >> = (0.00) Depth: 60 00:00:00 9kN, tb=242 >>1.Nh1 >> = (0.00) Depth: 63 00:00:00 10kN, tb=256 >>1.Nh1 >> = (0.00) Depth: 63 00:00:00 10kN, tb=256 >> >>(, MyTown 18.03.2001) >> >>New position >>7k/3N4/6KN/8/8/8/7p/8 w - - 0 1 >> >>Analysis by Junior 6.0: >> >>1.Ne5 h1Q >> ³ (-0.70) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >>1.Nf7+ >> = (0.00) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >>1.Nf7+ >> = (0.00) Depth: 6 00:00:00 >>1.Nf7+ >> = (0.00) Depth: 9 00:00:00 >>1.Nf7+ >> = (0.00) Depth: 12 00:00:00 >>1.Nf7+ >> = (0.00) Depth: 15 00:00:00 >>1.Nf7+ >> = (0.00) Depth: 18 00:00:00 1kN >>1.Nf7+ >> = (0.00) Depth: 21 00:00:00 1kN >>1.Nf7+ >> = (0.00) Depth: 24 00:00:00 2kN >>1.Nf7+ >> = (0.00) Depth: 27 00:00:00 3kN >>1.Nf7+ >> = (0.00) Depth: 30 00:00:00 3kN >>1.Nf7+ >> = (0.00) Depth: 33 00:00:03 5221kN, tb=8986 >> >>(, MyTown 18.03.2001) >> >>You are right that is unacceptable from a top program, it seems in general that >>the chessbase products have a problem reading tb's or maby the tb's are not as >>perfect as one would think. > >The tablebases are perfect. >Junior simply have some knoweldge that is wrong in this case. > >I suggest that you click on engine parameters and tell Junior to forget it's >knowledge about insufficient material(I know that this is a parameter for >Junior5 and I guess that it is also a parameter for Junior6). > >Uri Yes uri that did the trick, by removing the insufficiant mat. knowledge in engine parameters JR6 sees the mate :-) thanks. New position 7k/3N4/6KN/8/8/8/7p/8 w - - 0 1 Analysis by Junior 6.0: 1.Ne5 h1Q -+ (-2.27) Depth: 3 00:00:00 1.Ng4 h1Q 2.Kg5 -+ (-2.21) Depth: 3 00:00:00 1.Nf7+ Kg8 2.Nf6+ Kf8 3.Nh7+ Ke7 +- (4.21) Depth: 3 00:00:00 1.Nf7+ Kg8 2.Nh6+ = (0.00) Depth: 6 00:00:00 1kN 1.Ne5! +- (4.51) Depth: 6 00:00:00 1kN, tb=1 1.Ne5! h1Q 2.Nef7# +- (#2) Depth: 6 00:00:00 1kN, tb=2 1.Ne5! h1Q 2.Nef7# +- (#2) Depth: 6 00:00:00 1kN, tb=2 (, MyTown 18.03.2001) Regards Jonas PS: my version of JR6 is the latest update
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