Author: Uri Blass
Date: 10:49:47 03/17/01
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On March 17, 2001 at 13:43:30, jonas cohonas wrote: >On March 17, 2001 at 13:04:29, Antonio Senatore wrote: > >>It seems incredible that a top chess program like Junior 6 (without the KPPKB >>tablebase but with the KBK and the KBKP tables) CAN'T SEE MATE IN ONE in the >>next position: >> >>7k/4pK1p/7B/8/8/8/8/8 w - - >> >>Junior neither can see mate in one in the following positions (without KNNKP >>tablebase): >> >>8/8/8/8/6N1/5NK1/7p/7k w - - >> >>8/8/8/8/8/6NK/3N1p2/6k1 w - - >> >> >>In the next position, he can't see mate in two: >> >>7k/3N4/6KN/8/8/8/7p/8 w - - >> >>Let's hope in the next update this problem is resolved. >> >>Regards. >> >>Antonio > >New position >7k/4pK1p/7B/8/8/8/8/8 w - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Junior 6.0: > >1.Bf8 e5 > = (-0.07) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >1.Bg7# > +- (#1) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >1.Bg7# > +- (#1) Depth: 3 00:00:00 > >(, MyTown 18.03.2001) > >New position >8/8/8/8/6N1/5NK1/7p/7k w - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Junior 6.0: > >1.Ngxh2 > = (0.00) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >1.Ngxh2 > = (0.00) Depth: 6 00:00:00, tb=1 >1.Ngxh2 > = (0.00) Depth: 9 00:00:00, tb=3 >1.Ngxh2 > = (0.00) Depth: 12 00:00:00, tb=5 >1.Ngxh2 > = (0.00) Depth: 15 00:00:00, tb=7 >1.Ngxh2 > = (0.00) Depth: 18 00:00:00, tb=9 >1.Ngxh2 > = (0.00) Depth: 21 00:00:00, tb=11 >1.Ngxh2 > = (0.00) Depth: 24 00:00:00 1kN, tb=13 >1.Ngxh2 > = (0.00) Depth: 27 00:00:00 1kN, tb=15 >1.Ngxh2 > = (0.00) Depth: 30 00:00:00 1kN, tb=17 >1.Ngxh2 > = (0.00) Depth: 33 00:00:00 1kN, tb=19 >1.Ngxh2 > = (0.00) Depth: 36 00:00:00 2kN, tb=21 >1.Ngxh2 > = (0.00) Depth: 39 00:00:00 2kN, tb=23 >1.Ngxh2 > = (0.00) Depth: 42 00:00:00 2kN, tb=25 >1.Ngxh2 > = (0.00) Depth: 45 00:00:00 3kN, tb=27 >1.Ngxh2 > = (0.00) Depth: 48 00:00:00 3kN, tb=29 >1.Ngxh2 > = (0.00) Depth: 51 00:00:00 3kN, tb=31 >1.Ngxh2 > = (0.00) Depth: 54 00:00:00 4kN, tb=33 >1.Ngxh2 > = (0.00) Depth: 57 00:00:00 4kN, tb=35 >1.Ngxh2 > = (0.00) Depth: 60 00:00:00 5kN, tb=37 >1.Ngxh2 > = (0.00) Depth: 63 00:00:00 5kN, tb=39 >1.Ngxh2 > = (0.00) Depth: 63 00:00:00 5kN, tb=40 > >(, MyTown 18.03.2001) > >New position >8/8/8/8/8/6NK/3N1p2/6k1 w - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Junior 6.0: > >1.Nh1 > = (0.00) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >1.Nh1 > = (0.00) Depth: 6 00:00:00 >1.Nh1 > = (0.00) Depth: 9 00:00:00, tb=5 >1.Nh1 > = (0.00) Depth: 12 00:00:00, tb=18 >1.Nh1 > = (0.00) Depth: 15 00:00:00 1kN, tb=32 >1.Nh1 > = (0.00) Depth: 18 00:00:00 1kN, tb=46 >1.Nh1 > = (0.00) Depth: 21 00:00:00 2kN, tb=60 >1.Nh1 > = (0.00) Depth: 24 00:00:00 2kN, tb=74 >1.Nh1 > = (0.00) Depth: 27 00:00:00 3kN, tb=88 >1.Nh1 > = (0.00) Depth: 30 00:00:00 3kN, tb=102 >1.Nh1 > = (0.00) Depth: 33 00:00:00 4kN, tb=116 >1.Nh1 > = (0.00) Depth: 36 00:00:00 4kN, tb=130 >1.Nh1 > = (0.00) Depth: 39 00:00:00 5kN, tb=144 >1.Nh1 > = (0.00) Depth: 42 00:00:00 5kN, tb=158 >1.Nh1 > = (0.00) Depth: 45 00:00:00 6kN, tb=172 >1.Nh1 > = (0.00) Depth: 48 00:00:00 7kN, tb=186 >1.Nh1 > = (0.00) Depth: 51 00:00:00 7kN, tb=200 >1.Nh1 > = (0.00) Depth: 54 00:00:00 8kN, tb=214 >1.Nh1 > = (0.00) Depth: 57 00:00:00 9kN, tb=228 >1.Nh1 > = (0.00) Depth: 60 00:00:00 9kN, tb=242 >1.Nh1 > = (0.00) Depth: 63 00:00:00 10kN, tb=256 >1.Nh1 > = (0.00) Depth: 63 00:00:00 10kN, tb=256 > >(, MyTown 18.03.2001) > >New position >7k/3N4/6KN/8/8/8/7p/8 w - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Junior 6.0: > >1.Ne5 h1Q > ³ (-0.70) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >1.Nf7+ > = (0.00) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >1.Nf7+ > = (0.00) Depth: 6 00:00:00 >1.Nf7+ > = (0.00) Depth: 9 00:00:00 >1.Nf7+ > = (0.00) Depth: 12 00:00:00 >1.Nf7+ > = (0.00) Depth: 15 00:00:00 >1.Nf7+ > = (0.00) Depth: 18 00:00:00 1kN >1.Nf7+ > = (0.00) Depth: 21 00:00:00 1kN >1.Nf7+ > = (0.00) Depth: 24 00:00:00 2kN >1.Nf7+ > = (0.00) Depth: 27 00:00:00 3kN >1.Nf7+ > = (0.00) Depth: 30 00:00:00 3kN >1.Nf7+ > = (0.00) Depth: 33 00:00:03 5221kN, tb=8986 > >(, MyTown 18.03.2001) > >You are right that is unacceptable from a top program, it seems in general that >the chessbase products have a problem reading tb's or maby the tb's are not as >perfect as one would think. The tablebases are perfect. Junior simply have some knoweldge that is wrong in this case. I suggest that you click on engine parameters and tell Junior to forget it's knowledge about insufficient material(I know that this is a parameter for Junior5 and I guess that it is also a parameter for Junior6). Uri
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