Author: Uri Blass
Date: 12:05:43 04/16/01
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On April 16, 2001 at 07:04:15, Ed Schröder wrote: >On April 16, 2001 at 06:37:41, Hans Christian Lykke wrote: > >>On April 16, 2001 at 06:09:57, Ed Schröder wrote: >> >>>On April 16, 2001 at 06:01:34, Hans Christian Lykke wrote: >>> >>>>On April 16, 2001 at 05:33:47, Ed Schröder wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 15, 2001 at 18:44:06, Bertil Eklund wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Here is some news about the upcoming event: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>- We invited 4 programs: DB and the Deeps of Fritz, Shredder and Junior. >>>>>>"We" is BGN and Enrique Irazoqui, with Bertil Eklund as consultant. >>>>> >>>>>A very nice couple. Both of them just recently called me a hypocrite >>>>>in the CSS forum. My sin: reporting the Odyssey tournament. Reason: >>>>>they dislike Thorsten Czub the organizer of Odyssey. >>>>> >>>>>Why do you mention this Ed? >>>>> >>>>>Because I am in this business too long. Personal dislikes have become >>>>>the keyword expelling Rebel and Tiger. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>- DB is obvious. Fritz has been leading everything in computer chess, >>>>> >>>>>Only on SSDF. >>>>> >>>>>Which manual tournament Fritz has won the last 3 years? >>>>> >>>>>Answer: NONE. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>short of a Swiss open of 7 rounds that receives the name "world championship". >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Ridiculous... >>>>> >>>>>There are only 2 programs playing in this world championship. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Shredder is strong and got the 2 last titles, whatever they mean, although >>>>>>it never topped the SSDF list, never won long tournaments. Junior is also >>>>>>strong, was first in the SSDF list about a year ago, won some long >>>>>>tournaments, achieved a PR of 2702 last year in Dortmund. >>>>> >>>>>Agreed, but then.......... >>>>> >>>>>Tiger 12.0 coming from nothing topped the SSDF list. The new Tiger will >>>>>top your list soon. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>The rest is either >>>>>>not strong enough or not SMP ready, which means they don't have a chance and >>>>>>their inclusion would only increase randomness. >>>>> >>>>>What an utter nonsense is that. You and Enrique should know better than that. >>>>>It is like Christophe said, all arranged behind the curtains, no way back. >>>>>Discrimination of the worst kind. >>>>> >>>>>In no way it is proven that a multi-processor program is doing better than >>>>>a single-processor program. Just look at the latest Ausfess tournament Tiger >>>>>13.0 (not 14.0) topping above all the multi-processing entries: >>>>> >>>>>================================================== >>>>>Tournament : Aufseß 2001 >>>>>Date : 13/03 to 17/03 >>>>>Type : 9 rounds Swiss >>>>>Time control : 3h/all >>>>> >>>>> 1. Chess-Tiger 13.0 Athlon 1,3 GHz 6.5 46.5 31.75 >>>>> 2. Hiarcs 7.32 Athlon 800 6.5 46.0 32.75 >>>>> 3. CM 6555 Athlon 1,2 GHz 6.0 45.5 29.00 >>>>> 4. SOS 11/2000 Athlon 800 5.5 44.5 26.25 >>>>> 5. Deep Fritz 2x P3 1 GHz 5.5 43.5 26.00 >>>>> 6. Gandalf 4.32h Athlon 1,2 GHz 5.5 36.5 20.25 >>>>> 7. Hiarcs 7.01 Athlon 1,0 5.0 45.0 24.00 >>>>> 8. Gambit-Tiger 1.0 P3-840 5.0 44.0 22.25 >>>>> 9. Shredder5 Erbsenzähler P3-1000 5.0 41.5 20.25 >>>>>10. Deep Shredder 2x P3-935 5.0 41.0 20.25 >>>>>11. Deep Junior 2x Athlon 1Ghz 5.0 40.5 18.50 >>>>>12. Century 3.0 P3-866 4.5 45.5 21.25 >>>>>13. Junior 6 Athlon 1,2 GHz 4.5 38.5 16.75 >>>>>14. Triple-Brain 2 x Celeron 500 4.0 36.5 13.25 >>>>>15. Shredder 5 Athlon 1,2 GHz 4.0 36.0 13.00 >>>>>16. Fritz 6 P2-400 3.5 44.5 16.00 >>>>>17. The King 2.54 P4-1300 3.5 38.0 14.25 >>>>>18. Genius 6,5 P3-800 3.5 36.5 12.00 >>>>>19. Nimzo 8 Athlon 1 GHz 3.0 36.0 10.75 >>>>>20. Goliath Light Exp. Athlon 1,2 3.0 35.0 10.25 >>>>>21. M- Chess 7.1 P3-500 2.5 35.0 8.25 >>>>>22. CM 8000 Athlon 1,2 GHz 2.5 35.0 8.00 >>>>>==================================== >>>>> >>>>>The URL: www.rebel.nl/r11-resu.htm >>>>> >>>>>For once have a look at this complete victory list and tell me which program >>>>>has won so much tournaments? Answer: ONLY Chess Tiger! And you want to expel >>>>>this program??? >>>>> >>>>>Another example is Paderborn 1999 the world championship all classes >>>>>Shredder winning the tournament on a poor Pentium 550 above all the >>>>>multi-processor entries: >>>>> >>>>>. Junior 4 x 500 Mhz >>>>>. Fritz 4 x 500 Mhz >>>>>. Ferret 4 x 400 Mhz >>>>>. Cilkchess 240 x Alpha at 250 Mhz >>>>>. P.ConNerS 186 x PII 450 Mhz >>>>>. Zugzwang 512 x Alpha at 300 Mhz >>>>> >>>>>Bertil, you called me a hyprocrite in the CSS forum. Here on CCC you accused >>>>>me of a campaigning against the SSDF. In email I asked you why I deserved >>>>>such a public insult. You have ignored the email. >>>>> >>>>>It smells Bertil. And all of this because I am reporting Odyssey? I find >>>>>this very very hard to believe. >>>>> >>>>>Furthermore I have seen the SSDF tester Lykke proudly announcing here on CCC >>>>>his Deep Fritz - Deep Shredder game listed on the ChessBase site all well >>>>>nicely documented with pictures, a clear case of an endorsement. >>>> >>>>Please, Ed. Are you paranoid. >>> >>>Thank you. I will add this one to my growing list. >>> >>> >>>>A have nothing running with Chessbase. They contacted me, and ask friendly if >>>>the might publice the game Shredder-Deep Fritz 2hours/move. >>> >>>That is the point, you should have said NO. >>> >>>You are not in the position to say yes. >> >>I think there is only ONE to decide this, and that is not you ;-) > >Of course, it is a free world. > > >>I´m planning sometimes in the future to play a simular game between on of your >>companys programs and another program. > >Feel free to do so. > > >>If you ask me if you can publish the game and data on your website, should I >>then say no. >>Ofcourse not. > >But I won't ask. > >If you do not understand what this is all about and the meaning of the >word endorsement (freely translated as connection) I can not help. > >Same as Bertil should not have joined the BGN organisation. You are the SSDF >claiming independency. You guys are not aware of your status. > >Ed I do not see it in the same way that you see it. Hans Christian Lykke is independent tester. Uri
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