Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 04:04:15 04/16/01
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On April 16, 2001 at 06:37:41, Hans Christian Lykke wrote: >On April 16, 2001 at 06:09:57, Ed Schröder wrote: > >>On April 16, 2001 at 06:01:34, Hans Christian Lykke wrote: >> >>>On April 16, 2001 at 05:33:47, Ed Schröder wrote: >>> >>>>On April 15, 2001 at 18:44:06, Bertil Eklund wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Here is some news about the upcoming event: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>- We invited 4 programs: DB and the Deeps of Fritz, Shredder and Junior. >>>>>"We" is BGN and Enrique Irazoqui, with Bertil Eklund as consultant. >>>> >>>>A very nice couple. Both of them just recently called me a hypocrite >>>>in the CSS forum. My sin: reporting the Odyssey tournament. Reason: >>>>they dislike Thorsten Czub the organizer of Odyssey. >>>> >>>>Why do you mention this Ed? >>>> >>>>Because I am in this business too long. Personal dislikes have become >>>>the keyword expelling Rebel and Tiger. >>>> >>>> >>>>>- DB is obvious. Fritz has been leading everything in computer chess, >>>> >>>>Only on SSDF. >>>> >>>>Which manual tournament Fritz has won the last 3 years? >>>> >>>>Answer: NONE. >>>> >>>> >>>>>short of a Swiss open of 7 rounds that receives the name "world championship". >>>> >>>> >>>>Ridiculous... >>>> >>>>There are only 2 programs playing in this world championship. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Shredder is strong and got the 2 last titles, whatever they mean, although >>>>>it never topped the SSDF list, never won long tournaments. Junior is also >>>>>strong, was first in the SSDF list about a year ago, won some long >>>>>tournaments, achieved a PR of 2702 last year in Dortmund. >>>> >>>>Agreed, but then.......... >>>> >>>>Tiger 12.0 coming from nothing topped the SSDF list. The new Tiger will >>>>top your list soon. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>The rest is either >>>>>not strong enough or not SMP ready, which means they don't have a chance and >>>>>their inclusion would only increase randomness. >>>> >>>>What an utter nonsense is that. You and Enrique should know better than that. >>>>It is like Christophe said, all arranged behind the curtains, no way back. >>>>Discrimination of the worst kind. >>>> >>>>In no way it is proven that a multi-processor program is doing better than >>>>a single-processor program. Just look at the latest Ausfess tournament Tiger >>>>13.0 (not 14.0) topping above all the multi-processing entries: >>>> >>>>================================================== >>>>Tournament : Aufseß 2001 >>>>Date : 13/03 to 17/03 >>>>Type : 9 rounds Swiss >>>>Time control : 3h/all >>>> >>>> 1. Chess-Tiger 13.0 Athlon 1,3 GHz 6.5 46.5 31.75 >>>> 2. Hiarcs 7.32 Athlon 800 6.5 46.0 32.75 >>>> 3. CM 6555 Athlon 1,2 GHz 6.0 45.5 29.00 >>>> 4. SOS 11/2000 Athlon 800 5.5 44.5 26.25 >>>> 5. Deep Fritz 2x P3 1 GHz 5.5 43.5 26.00 >>>> 6. Gandalf 4.32h Athlon 1,2 GHz 5.5 36.5 20.25 >>>> 7. Hiarcs 7.01 Athlon 1,0 5.0 45.0 24.00 >>>> 8. Gambit-Tiger 1.0 P3-840 5.0 44.0 22.25 >>>> 9. Shredder5 Erbsenzähler P3-1000 5.0 41.5 20.25 >>>>10. Deep Shredder 2x P3-935 5.0 41.0 20.25 >>>>11. Deep Junior 2x Athlon 1Ghz 5.0 40.5 18.50 >>>>12. Century 3.0 P3-866 4.5 45.5 21.25 >>>>13. Junior 6 Athlon 1,2 GHz 4.5 38.5 16.75 >>>>14. Triple-Brain 2 x Celeron 500 4.0 36.5 13.25 >>>>15. Shredder 5 Athlon 1,2 GHz 4.0 36.0 13.00 >>>>16. Fritz 6 P2-400 3.5 44.5 16.00 >>>>17. The King 2.54 P4-1300 3.5 38.0 14.25 >>>>18. Genius 6,5 P3-800 3.5 36.5 12.00 >>>>19. Nimzo 8 Athlon 1 GHz 3.0 36.0 10.75 >>>>20. Goliath Light Exp. Athlon 1,2 3.0 35.0 10.25 >>>>21. M- Chess 7.1 P3-500 2.5 35.0 8.25 >>>>22. CM 8000 Athlon 1,2 GHz 2.5 35.0 8.00 >>>>==================================== >>>> >>>>The URL: www.rebel.nl/r11-resu.htm >>>> >>>>For once have a look at this complete victory list and tell me which program >>>>has won so much tournaments? Answer: ONLY Chess Tiger! And you want to expel >>>>this program??? >>>> >>>>Another example is Paderborn 1999 the world championship all classes >>>>Shredder winning the tournament on a poor Pentium 550 above all the >>>>multi-processor entries: >>>> >>>>. Junior 4 x 500 Mhz >>>>. Fritz 4 x 500 Mhz >>>>. Ferret 4 x 400 Mhz >>>>. Cilkchess 240 x Alpha at 250 Mhz >>>>. P.ConNerS 186 x PII 450 Mhz >>>>. Zugzwang 512 x Alpha at 300 Mhz >>>> >>>>Bertil, you called me a hyprocrite in the CSS forum. Here on CCC you accused >>>>me of a campaigning against the SSDF. In email I asked you why I deserved >>>>such a public insult. You have ignored the email. >>>> >>>>It smells Bertil. And all of this because I am reporting Odyssey? I find >>>>this very very hard to believe. >>>> >>>>Furthermore I have seen the SSDF tester Lykke proudly announcing here on CCC >>>>his Deep Fritz - Deep Shredder game listed on the ChessBase site all well >>>>nicely documented with pictures, a clear case of an endorsement. >>> >>>Please, Ed. Are you paranoid. >> >>Thank you. I will add this one to my growing list. >> >> >>>A have nothing running with Chessbase. They contacted me, and ask friendly if >>>the might publice the game Shredder-Deep Fritz 2hours/move. >> >>That is the point, you should have said NO. >> >>You are not in the position to say yes. > >I think there is only ONE to decide this, and that is not you ;-) Of course, it is a free world. >I´m planning sometimes in the future to play a simular game between on of your >companys programs and another program. Feel free to do so. >If you ask me if you can publish the game and data on your website, should I >then say no. >Ofcourse not. But I won't ask. If you do not understand what this is all about and the meaning of the word endorsement (freely translated as connection) I can not help. Same as Bertil should not have joined the BGN organisation. You are the SSDF claiming independency. You guys are not aware of your status. Ed >Venlig hilsen >Hans Christian Lykke > > >> >>Ed >> >> >>>They also asked for some pictures/data. I send them some. >>>If the Shredder company (Millenium, have asked, they could have done the same. >>>And I would have published the link too. >>>Venlig hilsen >>>Hans Christian Lykke >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> And now >>>>this... What on earth are you doing??? You are killing your own creditability >>>>as SSDF as these kind of things are seriously questioning your status of >>>>being independant and are giving your known opponents only more ammunition >>>>to shoot. >>>> >>>>I can not believe this is really happening. >>>> >>>>Ed >>>> >>>> >>>>>- Which program is stronger against humans? Who knows and who says they do >>>>>differently in comp-comp as opposed to human-comp. Besides, a "candidates" >>>>>with 20 programs and 20 first rate GMs that consists of enough games takes >>>>>ages and a huge amount of money nobody mentioned. >>>>> >>>>>- The "Qualifiers" will be played in a public place (by the way, beautiful, >>>>>with a great view over the bay :) ) >>>>> >>>>>- Programmers will send their latest babies and books, and all settings will >>>>>follow their instructions. >>>>> >>>>>- An international arbiter will be present for the event in case DS >>>>>participates. Otherwise the other two programmers don't seem to require an >>>>>arbiter. >>>>> >>>>>- But just in case, Bertil Eklund has been invited for the event. >>>>> >>>>>- The Cadaqués event is not to be hold in "closed session". In fact, >>>>>journalists, arbiter and other visitors will be present. Press and Internet >>>>>coverage will be substantial. >>>>> >>>>>- Programmers are free to develop their engines until October 1st, provided >>>>>that they will send regular updates to Kramnik. The idea is to avoid the >>>>>DB-Kasparov scenario, in which Kasparov had no idea of the opponent. >>>>> >>>>>- The entry fee will be returned to the programmers that won't win the >>>>>Qualifiers. >>>>> >>>>>- If a programmer feels entitled to play a given human player, he is more >>>>>than welcome to organize the match and find the funds. >>>>> >>>>>Bertil
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