Author: Hans Christian Lykke
Date: 03:37:41 04/16/01
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On April 16, 2001 at 06:09:57, Ed Schröder wrote: >On April 16, 2001 at 06:01:34, Hans Christian Lykke wrote: > >>On April 16, 2001 at 05:33:47, Ed Schröder wrote: >> >>>On April 15, 2001 at 18:44:06, Bertil Eklund wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Here is some news about the upcoming event: >>>> >>>> >>>>- We invited 4 programs: DB and the Deeps of Fritz, Shredder and Junior. >>>>"We" is BGN and Enrique Irazoqui, with Bertil Eklund as consultant. >>> >>>A very nice couple. Both of them just recently called me a hypocrite >>>in the CSS forum. My sin: reporting the Odyssey tournament. Reason: >>>they dislike Thorsten Czub the organizer of Odyssey. >>> >>>Why do you mention this Ed? >>> >>>Because I am in this business too long. Personal dislikes have become >>>the keyword expelling Rebel and Tiger. >>> >>> >>>>- DB is obvious. Fritz has been leading everything in computer chess, >>> >>>Only on SSDF. >>> >>>Which manual tournament Fritz has won the last 3 years? >>> >>>Answer: NONE. >>> >>> >>>>short of a Swiss open of 7 rounds that receives the name "world championship". >>> >>> >>>Ridiculous... >>> >>>There are only 2 programs playing in this world championship. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Shredder is strong and got the 2 last titles, whatever they mean, although >>>>it never topped the SSDF list, never won long tournaments. Junior is also >>>>strong, was first in the SSDF list about a year ago, won some long >>>>tournaments, achieved a PR of 2702 last year in Dortmund. >>> >>>Agreed, but then.......... >>> >>>Tiger 12.0 coming from nothing topped the SSDF list. The new Tiger will >>>top your list soon. >>> >>> >>> >>>>The rest is either >>>>not strong enough or not SMP ready, which means they don't have a chance and >>>>their inclusion would only increase randomness. >>> >>>What an utter nonsense is that. You and Enrique should know better than that. >>>It is like Christophe said, all arranged behind the curtains, no way back. >>>Discrimination of the worst kind. >>> >>>In no way it is proven that a multi-processor program is doing better than >>>a single-processor program. Just look at the latest Ausfess tournament Tiger >>>13.0 (not 14.0) topping above all the multi-processing entries: >>> >>>================================================== >>>Tournament : Aufseß 2001 >>>Date : 13/03 to 17/03 >>>Type : 9 rounds Swiss >>>Time control : 3h/all >>> >>> 1. Chess-Tiger 13.0 Athlon 1,3 GHz 6.5 46.5 31.75 >>> 2. Hiarcs 7.32 Athlon 800 6.5 46.0 32.75 >>> 3. CM 6555 Athlon 1,2 GHz 6.0 45.5 29.00 >>> 4. SOS 11/2000 Athlon 800 5.5 44.5 26.25 >>> 5. Deep Fritz 2x P3 1 GHz 5.5 43.5 26.00 >>> 6. Gandalf 4.32h Athlon 1,2 GHz 5.5 36.5 20.25 >>> 7. Hiarcs 7.01 Athlon 1,0 5.0 45.0 24.00 >>> 8. Gambit-Tiger 1.0 P3-840 5.0 44.0 22.25 >>> 9. Shredder5 Erbsenzähler P3-1000 5.0 41.5 20.25 >>>10. Deep Shredder 2x P3-935 5.0 41.0 20.25 >>>11. Deep Junior 2x Athlon 1Ghz 5.0 40.5 18.50 >>>12. Century 3.0 P3-866 4.5 45.5 21.25 >>>13. Junior 6 Athlon 1,2 GHz 4.5 38.5 16.75 >>>14. Triple-Brain 2 x Celeron 500 4.0 36.5 13.25 >>>15. Shredder 5 Athlon 1,2 GHz 4.0 36.0 13.00 >>>16. Fritz 6 P2-400 3.5 44.5 16.00 >>>17. The King 2.54 P4-1300 3.5 38.0 14.25 >>>18. Genius 6,5 P3-800 3.5 36.5 12.00 >>>19. Nimzo 8 Athlon 1 GHz 3.0 36.0 10.75 >>>20. Goliath Light Exp. Athlon 1,2 3.0 35.0 10.25 >>>21. M- Chess 7.1 P3-500 2.5 35.0 8.25 >>>22. CM 8000 Athlon 1,2 GHz 2.5 35.0 8.00 >>>==================================== >>> >>>The URL: www.rebel.nl/r11-resu.htm >>> >>>For once have a look at this complete victory list and tell me which program >>>has won so much tournaments? Answer: ONLY Chess Tiger! And you want to expel >>>this program??? >>> >>>Another example is Paderborn 1999 the world championship all classes >>>Shredder winning the tournament on a poor Pentium 550 above all the >>>multi-processor entries: >>> >>>. Junior 4 x 500 Mhz >>>. Fritz 4 x 500 Mhz >>>. Ferret 4 x 400 Mhz >>>. Cilkchess 240 x Alpha at 250 Mhz >>>. P.ConNerS 186 x PII 450 Mhz >>>. Zugzwang 512 x Alpha at 300 Mhz >>> >>>Bertil, you called me a hyprocrite in the CSS forum. Here on CCC you accused >>>me of a campaigning against the SSDF. In email I asked you why I deserved >>>such a public insult. You have ignored the email. >>> >>>It smells Bertil. And all of this because I am reporting Odyssey? I find >>>this very very hard to believe. >>> >>>Furthermore I have seen the SSDF tester Lykke proudly announcing here on CCC >>>his Deep Fritz - Deep Shredder game listed on the ChessBase site all well >>>nicely documented with pictures, a clear case of an endorsement. >> >>Please, Ed. Are you paranoid. > >Thank you. I will add this one to my growing list. > > >>A have nothing running with Chessbase. They contacted me, and ask friendly if >>the might publice the game Shredder-Deep Fritz 2hours/move. > >That is the point, you should have said NO. > >You are not in the position to say yes. I think there is only ONE to decide this, and that is not you ;-) I´m planning sometimes in the future to play a simular game between on of your companys programs and another program. If you ask me if you can publish the game and data on your website, should I then say no. Ofcourse not. Venlig hilsen Hans Christian Lykke > >Ed > > >>They also asked for some pictures/data. I send them some. >>If the Shredder company (Millenium, have asked, they could have done the same. >>And I would have published the link too. >>Venlig hilsen >>Hans Christian Lykke >> >> >> >> >> >> And now >>>this... What on earth are you doing??? You are killing your own creditability >>>as SSDF as these kind of things are seriously questioning your status of >>>being independant and are giving your known opponents only more ammunition >>>to shoot. >>> >>>I can not believe this is really happening. >>> >>>Ed >>> >>> >>>>- Which program is stronger against humans? Who knows and who says they do >>>>differently in comp-comp as opposed to human-comp. Besides, a "candidates" >>>>with 20 programs and 20 first rate GMs that consists of enough games takes >>>>ages and a huge amount of money nobody mentioned. >>>> >>>>- The "Qualifiers" will be played in a public place (by the way, beautiful, >>>>with a great view over the bay :) ) >>>> >>>>- Programmers will send their latest babies and books, and all settings will >>>>follow their instructions. >>>> >>>>- An international arbiter will be present for the event in case DS >>>>participates. Otherwise the other two programmers don't seem to require an >>>>arbiter. >>>> >>>>- But just in case, Bertil Eklund has been invited for the event. >>>> >>>>- The Cadaqués event is not to be hold in "closed session". In fact, >>>>journalists, arbiter and other visitors will be present. Press and Internet >>>>coverage will be substantial. >>>> >>>>- Programmers are free to develop their engines until October 1st, provided >>>>that they will send regular updates to Kramnik. The idea is to avoid the >>>>DB-Kasparov scenario, in which Kasparov had no idea of the opponent. >>>> >>>>- The entry fee will be returned to the programmers that won't win the >>>>Qualifiers. >>>> >>>>- If a programmer feels entitled to play a given human player, he is more >>>>than welcome to organize the match and find the funds. >>>> >>>>Bertil
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