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Subject: Re: Good suggestion, and sneaky and underhanded also.

Author: Duncan Stanley

Date: 10:54:30 04/19/01

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On April 19, 2001 at 13:01:53, Christophe Theron wrote:

>On April 19, 2001 at 12:55:47, Duncan Stanley wrote:
>
>>On April 19, 2001 at 12:50:12, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>
>>>On April 19, 2001 at 12:46:45, Duncan Stanley wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 19, 2001 at 12:43:05, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 19, 2001 at 12:37:12, Dan Andersson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>It would do to have a settings file or somesuch. And Switch it to the optimum at
>>>>>>once close to the match date. Or A gradual normalisation till the match takes
>>>>>>place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Regards Dan Andersson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course. And can it be forbidden in the contract?
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course not!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Oh dear. Even the idealists accept it to be "sneaky and underhand" :-(
>>>>
>>>>Can't you stay idealist just a little longer?
>>>>
>>>>You don't have to be like "them", you know.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Do you feel like you need to behave in a ideal way when you are faced with a
>>>dishonest condition?
>>>
>>>I don't.
>>>
>>
>>Nail, head, hit.
>>
>>Nor did I. Nor did any young programmer who saw what was going on.
>>
>>But, if you then "behave in a (less than) ideal way" you join the corrupt
>>establishment. And the younger ones see you, and they copy that too, and so it
>>continues.
>
>
>
>Amateur programmers did not have to wait for me to find ways to kill the big
>ones with cooked lines in the official tournaments.
>
>Not that I have anything against amateur programmers. I was one of them not so
>long ago...
>
>That's life. That's the way it is.
>
>If you want to succed, sneaky tricks will never do it for you. But if you don't
>know the sneaky tricks, you might well never succeed.
>
>
>
>
>>Hence the mess you see now. All the 'players' were idealists once. Now they are
>>merely corrupt. Don't join them.
>
>
>
>I think that some people need to learn that chess computers and chess computers
>programmers are not little puppets.
>
>Well... At least some of them are not. ;)
>
>
>

I didn't explain myself properly.

Ok, try again.

"Do you feel like you need to behave in a ideal way when you are faced with a
dishonest condition? I don't."

The statement is a universal one. Almost everybody thinks it. And acts on it.

But it has a snowball effect.

If one thinks the consensus behaviour is 'dishonest', then it's ok to be a
little 'dishonest'. More than ok, one has no choice.

Then the consensus behaviour becomes more dishonest, and so on. Whether this is
in actual chess game play, off the board play, newsgroup behaviour, commercial
behaviour, whatever.

Why I said nail, hit, head, was because I believe this is what happened in
computer chess. Maybe the snowball now reached the bottom of the hill.





>
>
>    Christophe



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