Author: Jason Williamson
Date: 12:55:07 04/19/01
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On April 19, 2001 at 13:57:14, Uri Blass wrote: >On April 19, 2001 at 10:31:43, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On April 19, 2001 at 06:04:11, Graham Laight wrote: >> >>>On April 18, 2001 at 11:08:45, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On April 18, 2001 at 06:55:31, Tanya Deborah wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 18, 2001 at 02:15:00, Wayne Lowrance wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 17, 2001 at 16:59:20, Bertil Eklund wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>First of all these are the CONDITIONS for the match vs Kramnik. >>>>>>>Use of a SMP-macine with 8cpus. POINT >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I was asked to recommend the STRONGEST programs for a qualifying tournament. >>>>>>>The qualifyer should be used to pick the BEST program and not the "luckiest". >>>>>>>Therefore it should be played in longer matches. Again and I repeat in order to >>>>>>>minimize the randomness it shouldn't be played in a short tournament in a few >>>>>>>rounds. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The above means that only a few programs can take part in the challenge. >>>>>>>What is the strongest programs of today? In my opinion, if I pick the 5-6 best >>>>>>>programs (one cpu), it can only be the following Deep-Fritz, Deep-Shredder, >>>>>>>Deep-Junior, Fritz6 and Tiger/Gambit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Then I checked the CONDITIONS again, and what is left only the Deeps of Fritz, >>>>>>>Shredder and Junior. Fritz6 was a bit old anyway, so I skipped it but I really >>>>>>>was sorry that (after that I had seen that mr Theron wasn't planning any >>>>>>>SMP-version in the near future) I couldn't recommend the program(s) that may be >>>>>>>the strongest of all in a single-cpu event. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>No there wasn't any ifs included in the stated CONDITIONS. >>>>>>>No Swiss-tournament in a few rounds against a bunch of GMs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>IF noone else hasn't noticed it yet, nowadays the most used word in this Forum >>>>>>>is IF. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I have almost seen as many suggestions as there are members in this fora. >>>>>>>Almost anyone seems to be absolutely sure what to do and how to do. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I only want to remind again that this is a commercial event. Meaning that there >>>>>>>is a time-schedule. There are rules to be followed and contracts to be signed. >>>>>>>I also find it quite logical that the organizer of the event want the strongest >>>>>>>possible program to play against Kramnik. The cost of the event is a seven >>>>>>>digit-number in USD. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>At last before everyone starts the shouting and shouting: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I accepted the offer as a consultant, "chess-computer expert" for what it is >>>>>>>worth, because I really liked the idea of a match between the best program on a >>>>>>>8cpu-machine. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I haven't received a single cent for this, no the entry-fee wasn't supposed for >>>>>>>mr Irazoqui or my pockets (mr Czub as usual). I was offered a trip to the event >>>>>>>but if it can make someone happier I stay at home and prepare the computer for >>>>>>>the next SSDF hardware-level. Hopefully mr Theron can have some kind of revenge >>>>>>>if Tiger(s) tops the next list on the new hardware. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Bertil >>>>>> >>>>>>Just curious, why did you not include Crafty. On 8 cpu's I would not like to bet >>>>>>my money against it. Look at it's human record/experience. >>>>>>Thanks >>>>>>Wayne >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I agreed with Wayne! Why did you not include Crafty???? >>>>> >>>>>Crafty will be a REAL POWER MONSTER on 8 cpu´s , and like Wayne said: IT HAVE A >>>>>VERY SPECIAL HUMAN RECORD/EXPERIENCE. Crafty is a very dangerous challenger for >>>>>this competition. >>>>>Tanya. >>>> >>>> >>>>If I were going to play this match, I would not even _start_ with 8 cpus. >>>>Maybe 4x that or more. :) >>> >>>Given that the rightful program (Shredder) is not now playing, I suggest you >>>build the beast. >>> >>>If you've got the time, building it and demonstrating its efficacy at ICC might >>>enable us to create sufficient pressure on the organisers to allow you to put it >>>forward as a candidate. >>> >>>-g >> >> >>I wouldn't even think about it for several reasons: >> >>1. The match conditions are not simply bad, they are _stupid_. >> >>2. Shredder should be playing. It is the current WCCC and WMCCC titleholder. >> >>Holding a match to choose a challenger is an insult to SMK and Shredder. And >>I'm not personally interesting in perpetuating that insult further. Just sit >>back and watch to see who shows the "greed" and who shows the "class" in this >>process. :) > >By this logic Deeper blue should not agree to play kasparov. >Hsu could tell kasparov that Fritz is the right program to play because Fritz is >the world champion. > >Uri The match between deep blue and Kasparov was not labeled the world championship or between the world computer chess champion and the world chess champion.
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