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Subject: Re: PGN-file PART2: CSTal beats Fritz5.01 >50%

Author: Enrique Irazoqui

Date: 16:52:51 04/11/98

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On April 11, 1998 at 18:54:57, Thorsten Czub wrote:

>Look into the ICCA journal, page 70.
>The Fritz5 ELO is in brackets.

Ah

>It looks I am not the only person on this world who believes the results
>are somehow strange.

I heard.

>The autoplayer is not publically available.
>The executable is not publically available.
>The system is not confirmed by the other programmers who have supported
>ssdf-guys over the years e.g. by sending free-units of software.

From a Letter of Relation by Lope de Aguirre to His Majesty Felipe II,
after telling all the wonders he conquered in the Indies: "All this
relation is true, and nevertheless is false, and there is nothing in
this river but despair."

Your 3 points are true. Also irrelevant in our discussion. They do not
prove:

-the engine is different.
-the book is different.
-the autoplayers cheats.

It is rather a matter of principle: "we agreed on a given public
autoplayer and either we stick to it or we don't play anymore." Right?

>The ssdf-guys have to delete the CB-autoplayer games. Otherwise they
>lose all credibility and the support of all other programmers.
>
>No programmer will send a free-version or even allows his program to be
>tested against Fritz is the system is not open and publically available
>like the
>austrian autoplayer by Chrilly Donninger.
>
>You cannot win this battle Enrique.

Uffffff. I have no battle to win. My only interest: how good is Fritz 5
compared to other programs.

Well, another one: fight accusations of cheating based on speculation.

>The decision to accept this autoplayer was a step over the edge !
>Only NOT counting the games is a change to come back to normal values.
>
>How can you defend that this autoplayer is a hidden device. That is
>NOT SCIENTIFIC.
>The results are not counting as long as they use this device.

I know it's a point being made. I disagree, though, based on the fact
that the engine played by SSDF is the same one we all have.

>In the moment they use the normal auto232 autoplayer device and Fritz is
>still rank No.1 all the trouble is away.
>
>IF  !
>
>But still than you have to explain me why Cstal is number one too. :-)

Not yet... And I would have no problem at all with this. The contrary, I
like unusual programs.

>(and why all other unfamous opponents kill fritz5 easily).

Proof... Emotional proof, if you like. :)

Enrique




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