Author: Enrique Irazoqui
Date: 17:35:26 04/11/98
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On April 11, 1998 at 19:02:20, Thorsten Czub wrote: >>On April 11, 1998 at 18:30:34, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >> >>>Not quite. 19 games are not statistically as valid as 19. >> >>I meant "as valid as 200", of course. >> >>Enrique > >There are no 200 games Enrique. These games do not count. ??? > They are >played with the ChessBase device. ??? Same engine... > No programmer has confirmed this >device. So what? > And also it is not an open device. So what? A lot for other programmers, I know, but nothing regarding performance. >It is as if the board of the ICCA would decide in a "pandorra room" (=no >people allowed to watch or follow) which program is world champion. >Who would acceot this without having seen games or programs or machines >? > >If you want to make something scientific, you cannot do it like the >ssdf-guys have done it with Fritz5 in this case. There we are. The SSDF. Look, today you have posted games (data) played between Fritz 5 and CST. Now imagine someone saying: - Thorsten posts games when they confirm his points. Otherwise he despised them. - Thorsten was laughing at people asking for proof, but now that his proof favors his CST, he posts it. - Thorsten was in CST's development team and he cheated in all his games. - Thorsten wants us to believe that CB has a good engine for the SSDF and they are so wicked that they sell an inferior engine just to screw their customers. Etc. Of course I know none of the above points are true. But imagine someone says it, here, on RGCC, in email groups. He would have as many grounds as you when accusing ChessBase of cheating and SSDF as acting as CB's "employees" (you actually said that). This was and it is my point when demanding proof before accusinig anyone. >Believe me, you cannot win in this point. >You can try heavily. But this will not work. >By signing the paper of Ossi towards the ssdf-guys >Stefan Meyer Kahlen and Richard Lang and Chrilly Donninger >of course were instrumentalized by Ossi Weiner. > >BUT: > >On the other hand their request and the request of Ed Schroeder cannot >be forgotten and they cannot play as if these 200 games count and do >normal business. They can oversee Ossi Weiner. >He is only a sales-man. >But they cannot oversee Ed Schroeder, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen, Richard Lang, >Chrilly Donninger. > >If they request to clearify, if they ask for ignoring these 200 games of >Fritz5 because the device was not publical available, if they forbid >further games fritz vs. their programs, ssdf- cannot exist any longer. >Its over. > >You will maybe need some more time to accept this. >But in this case your own weapon (scientific approach and argumentation) >is >killing you (=Moritz and you and ChessBase). No. It is not a weapon. It is intended as a tool to analyze reality. It can't kill me because I have no interest other than trying to find out about these silly engines I happen to like. It's another approach, the one that accuses without proof, what hurts. Not me directly, but a program and a group of people I care for. Enrique
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