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Subject: Re: Ferret - by Ray Keene of BGN

Author: Bruce Moreland

Date: 13:01:29 05/11/01

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On May 11, 2001 at 14:53:07, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On May 11, 2001 at 12:36:50, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>
>>On May 11, 2001 at 10:47:49, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>It really doesn't show anything.  Ferret at that time was running on a
>>>single cpu pentium pro 200 I believe.  At least that is what I was using
>>>at that time and Bruce and I were using identical hardware.
>>>
>>>It was a reasonable anti-computer game.   Whether he could do that with today's
>>>ferret and today's hardware is a totally different question.
>>
>>That game was played on a Pentium 133 that had two copies of the program running
>>simultaneously.  I was at work, and for such an important game I didn't want to
>>have someone burst into my office and demand I do something intensive on my
>>computer, so I asked my wife to start it for me at home, and she got two copies
>>going at once by mistake.  I did not announce this at the time, because I didn't
>>want to be accused of whining about the losses.  He won against the best I could
>>do that day, and I accepted that.
>
>I remember that now...  I think this might have been just before we both moved
>to P6/200's then...  I remember the "wife" problem when we were chatting...

It wasn't really a problem.  I gave her instructions over the phone and she did
the best she could.  She was probably chasing two kids around, and it's not like
she spends a lot of time messing with Window NT and my chess program in
particular.

>>Those two games (Shirov won both) have become signature games for my program for
>>some reason.  I still hear about them despite their being played approximately
>>five years ago.
>>
>>But that *was* old hardware, and the version I was running was approximately
>>*800* distinct versions ago.
>>
>>I was honored that my program was able to play some 30 0 versus Shirov, and he
>>did a great job bashing in the program.  Shirov is *in my own limited
>>experience* the strongest anti-computer GM, and he could have probably totalled
>>the program on any hardware.
>>
>>I will say that I spoke with Shirov after he played some 5 0 against Ferret on
>>my 533 mhz Alpha in approximately 1998.  He told me that he thought it seemed as
>>if it was seeing as much in 5 0 as it did in those 30 0 games.  It's very
>>interesting that 500/133 or 500/66, whichever you wish to use, is approximately
>>6, so he is pretty close to right.  Of course now it would be seeing the same
>>stuff in a 2 0 or a 3 0.
>>
>>I'm surprised that Keene couldn't find something more modern.  If he's looking
>>for bad games against humans, there was the game against Vaganian at the 1999
>>WCCC post-tournament exhibition, where my program moved its QB 4 times in a row,
>>in order to get it from c1 to d2.  If he wants to see a bad game against a
>>computer, he can pick the one against Hiarcs from the same event.  If he wants
>>to see a good game he can examine the one versus Fritz at that event.
>>
>>bruce
>
>
>I think it was just a so-called "puff-piece" that needed a bit of filler, and
>your game became "it" for the week.  :)

Oh well.  As long as he didn't say I was an idiot or something.  That would mark
the first time a reporter of any sort got something right.

bruce

>IE I could look back and find standard time-control games with Crafty vs GM
>players, and by choosing the right game, make it look like an idiot or a world
>champion...  I have seen it play endgames that would make Karpov proud.  I have
>seen it play endings that would make Karpov scream.



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