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Subject: Re: Chess Solved More Simply

Author: Graham Laight

Date: 07:32:18 05/15/01

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On May 15, 2001 at 09:49:24, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On May 15, 2001 at 07:56:49, Graham Laight wrote:
>
>>On May 15, 2001 at 06:26:14, Ralf Elvsén wrote:
>>
>>>On May 15, 2001 at 06:03:11, Graham Laight wrote:
>>>
>>>I still say it's quicker and easier to draw a graph of strength of players
>>>plotted against proportion of draws.
>>>
>>>Since I don't have a copy of chessbase, the graph below is based on guesswork
>>>rather than actual study - but here's a quick example of what it would probably
>>>look like:
>>>
>>>Percentage Of Draws
>>>
>>>
>>>100 |                                             *
>>>    |                                        *
>>>    |                                    *
>>>    |                                 *
>>>    |                              *
>>>75  |                           *
>>>    |                        *
>>>    |                     *
>>>    |                  *
>>>    |               *
>>>50  |            *
>>>    |          *
>>>    |        *
>>>    |      *
>>>    |    *
>>>25  |  *
>>>    |*
>>>    |
>>>    |
>>>    |
>>>0   |
>>>    ------------------------------------------------------
>>>    1000       1500       2000     2500     3000      3500
>>>
>>>                        Elo Rating
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Check out this:
>>
>>http://math.bu.edu/people/mg/ratings/Draws.jpg
>>
>>
>>Ralf,
>>
>>Thanks very much for drawing this work to my attention!
>>
>>Since it's done by the chairman of the USCF (home page =
>>http://math.bu.edu/people/mg/ ), I think we can assume that it's a good quality
>>study.
>>
>>The exciting thing (from the point of view of "solving chess" or "playing
>>perfect chess") point of view is that, above 2200 Elo, the proportion of draws
>>shoots up very sharply above 2200 Elo - implying that the limits of chess are
>>being approached quite rapidly now.
>>
>>Just to describe the graph (which you can see for yourself by following Ralf's
>>link above) approximately, the draw proportion starts at 15% (presumably because
>>players are unable to obtain a win), drops to 8% at 650 Elo, rises steadily from
>>there to 25% at 2200 Elo, then shoots up rapidly to 48% at 2700 Elo.
>>
>>This would imply that the limit of chess is less than 3700 (because the graph is
>>rising sharply at the end) - so my original guess (2 posts back) of 3500 was not
>>too bad!
>>
>>-g
>
>
>I think the conclusion is wrong.  Draws are offered and accepted for reasons
>beyond "this position is known or proven to be a draw."  The higher your rating,
>the more likely you are to win an event before the last round, then offer a
>quick draw to take the money and run...  Or in a match, to save mental energy
>in a drawish-looking opening.
>
>I'll bet there are more draws (at the 2600+ level) that are 30 moves are less
>than there are draws of 31 moves and longer.  Which means the conclusion about
>2600+ players nearly playing perfect is badly flawed.

I'm not in a position to disprove this - but there is one thing I can say with
absolute certainty:

Any player who takes draws in positions in which they could win is likely to
have a lower Elo rating than they otherwise would have.

This effect would automatically skew the curve towards players below the top
level - which would negate the argument that this effect is increasing the
proportion of draws at the top.

-g



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