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Subject: Re: Pouring oil on the fire

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 22:22:12 06/16/01

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On June 16, 2001 at 11:19:15, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:

>On June 16, 2001 at 11:11:01, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>>>The problem with discussing this issue is some do not understand what ratings
>>>>are, and how they work. As when Bob stated all players in the ratings pool must
>>>>play each other a equal number of times for the rating system to be accurate.
>>>>This is just incorrect. Thing start to become more ridiculous from there.
>>>
>>>It's an overstatement.
>>
>>No Dann the statment is just wrong. If you have two established players in the
>>ratings pool that have never played each other before the system can and does
>>predict accurately 1. Who the stronger player will be. 2. The dominace of the
>>stronger one over the other.
>
>It will give an approximation for 1 and 2 in the general case.
>
>In no way is it guaranteed that the ratings system will provide an
>_accurate_ prediction for either.
>
>There are way to many factors involved to allow this for specific cases.
>On the average it will be right yes, but if you look at the individual
>cases it will be off a lot too.
>
>--
>GCP


It's a hopeless argument.  Until you have seen two players meet and see a
rocking upset, and then look to see why this happened, it won't ever be clear
what Elo is all about.  If I earn my rating by _only_ playing in the local
chess club, and you earn yours playing somewhere else.  The predictive powers
of our two ratings are not very good.

Normally this should not be a serious problem, due to lots of cross-playing
between clubs at things like the US Open, and state-wide tournaments.  But it
_does_ happen.  And it is certainly mathematically correct for it to happen.


However, I think we can all save our breath...




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