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Subject: Re: One mate to solve for Champion!

Author: Heiner Marxen

Date: 11:07:17 06/17/01

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On June 16, 2001 at 12:26:57, Steven J. Brann wrote:

>On June 16, 2001 at 11:37:27, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On June 16, 2001 at 08:50:27, Steven J. Brann wrote:
>>
>>>On June 16, 2001 at 08:30:19, leonid wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi!
>>>>
>>>>I am not sure how deep this position is but it look like that only strong
>>>>program will find it easy.
>>>>
>>>>[D]3K4/1Q1Q1Q2/Q1R1R1Q1/2N1N3/Q1qBNqQ1/q1qBRq1q/brnq1nrb/3kq3 w - -
>>>>
>>>>Please indicate your result.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Leonid.
>>>
>>>Chessmaster 8000 finds the mate but it took longer than it usually does for your
>>>positions, 4:50 on a PIII 933.
>>>
>>>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>>>0:00	1/3	19.45	52935		1. Nxc3+ Qcxc3 2. Rxe1+ Qxe1 3.
>>>					Bxc2+ Kc1 4. Bxc3 Rxg4 5. Bxb2+
>>>					Qxb2 6. Nxf3 Qhxf3
>>>0:27	1/4	27.23	2248065		1. Nxc3+ Qaxc3 2. Rxe1+ Qxe1 3.
>>>					Bxc2+ Qxc2 4. Bxb2+ Nd3 5. Qdxd3+
>>>					Qed2 6. Nxf3 Qcxd3+ 7. Qgxd3
>>>1:19	2/5	30.51	6857417		1. Nxc3+ Qaxc3 2. Rxe1+ Qxe1 3.
>>>					Bxc2+ Qxc2 4. Bxb2+ Nd3 5. Qgxd3+
>>>					Rd2 6. Qdxf3+ Qhxf3 7. Qxf3+ Qee2
>>>					8. Nxc4 Qexf3 9. Qxc2+ Kxc2 10.
>>>					Qxa2
>>>4:50	2/6	Mate10	25540594	1. Nxc3+ Qaxc3 2. Rxe1+ Qxe1 3.
>>>					Bxc2+ Qxc2 4. Bxb2+ Nd3 5. Qgxd3+
>>>					Rd2 6. Qaxc2+ Qxc2 7. Qgxf3+ Qfxf3
>>>					8. Qdxf3+ Qxf3 9. Qxf3+ Qe2 10.
>>>					Qfxe2#
>>>8:43	3/7	Mate10	41570060	1. Nxc3+ Qaxc3 2. Rxe1+ Qxe1 3.
>>>					Bxc2+ Qxc2 4. Bxb2+ Nd3 5. Qgxd3+
>>>					Rd2 6. Qaxc2+ Qxc2 7. Qgxf3+ Qfxf3
>>>					8. Qdxf3+ Qxf3 9. Qxf3+ Qe2 10.
>>>					Qfxe2#
>>>
>>>Steve
>>
>>I suspect that you should try to increase the value of the ss
>>parameter(selective search).
>>
>>Using the default value is a mistake and I know that chessmaster6000 is usually
>>faster with ss=10 so I believe that the same is truth for chessmaster8000.
>>
>>My experience tells me that with ss=10 I never see depthes like 2/5 or 3/7 but
>>only 1/5 and usually also 1/7 so I guess that you used the default ss=6.
>>
>>Uri
>
>Yes, I usually use the default personality with 16MB hash to solve mate problems
>like this.  I have a personality I've been experimenting with, CM8999, which
>uses SS=10 and 16MB hash.  It solves the mate in 30 seconds less time:
>
>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>0:01	1/3	19.11	75985		1. Rxe1+ Qxe1 2. Nxc3+ Qcxc3 3.
>					Bxc2+ Kc1 4. Bxc3 Rxg4 5. Bxb2+
>					Qxb2 6. Nxf3 Qhxf3
>0:12	1/4	22.32	1037835		1. Rxe1+ Qxe1 2. Nxc3+ Qexc3 3.
>					Bxc2+ Kc1 4. Qfxf4+ Bxf4 5. Bxc3
>0:19	1/4	26.54	1599743		1. Nxc3+ Qaxc3 2. Rxe1+ Qxe1 3.
>					Bxc2+ Qxc2 4. Bxb2+ Nd3 5. Qdxd3+
>					Rd2 6. Qxc2+ Qxc2 7. Qxf3+ Qhxf3
>					8. Nxf3 Bxe6 9. Nxe6
>1:41	1/5	30.69	8989417		1. Nxc3+ Qaxc3 2. Rxe1+ Qxe1 3.
>					Bxc2+ Qxc2 4. Bxb2+ Nd3 5. Qgxd3+
>					Rd2 6. Qgxf3+ Qhxf3 7. Qxf3+ Qee2
>					8. Nxc4 Qfxf3 9. Rxe2 Qxe2
>4:20	1/6	Mate10	25762076	1. Nxc3+ Qaxc3 2. Rxe1+ Qxe1 3.
>					Bxc2+ Qxc2 4. Bxb2+ Nd3 5. Qgxd3+
>					Rd2 6. Qaxc2+ Qxc2 7. Qdxf3+ Qfxf3
>					8. Qgxf3+ Qxf3 9. Qxf3+ Qe2 10.
>					Qfxe2#
>6:19	1/7	Mate10	37976728	1. Nxc3+ Qaxc3 2. Rxe1+ Qxe1 3.
>					Bxc2+ Qxc2 4. Bxb2+ Nd3 5. Qgxd3+
>					Rd2 6. Qaxc2+ Qxc2 7. Qdxf3+ Qfxf3
>					8. Qgxf3+ Qxf3 9. Qxf3+ Qe2 10.
>					Qfxe2#
>
>Steve

And since Chest found that "there is no mate in 9", we now also know,
that the above mate is shortest possible.
(On a K7/600 with 350 MB hash Chest used 10.5 hours for the above.)

Cheers,
Heiner



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