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Subject: Re: One mate to solve for Champion!

Author: leonid

Date: 12:39:26 06/17/01

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On June 17, 2001 at 14:07:17, Heiner Marxen wrote:

>On June 16, 2001 at 12:26:57, Steven J. Brann wrote:
>
>>On June 16, 2001 at 11:37:27, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On June 16, 2001 at 08:50:27, Steven J. Brann wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 16, 2001 at 08:30:19, leonid wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hi!
>>>>>
>>>>>I am not sure how deep this position is but it look like that only strong
>>>>>program will find it easy.
>>>>>
>>>>>[D]3K4/1Q1Q1Q2/Q1R1R1Q1/2N1N3/Q1qBNqQ1/q1qBRq1q/brnq1nrb/3kq3 w - -
>>>>>
>>>>>Please indicate your result.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>Leonid.
>>>>
>>>>Chessmaster 8000 finds the mate but it took longer than it usually does for your
>>>>positions, 4:50 on a PIII 933.
>>>>
>>>>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>>>>0:00	1/3	19.45	52935		1. Nxc3+ Qcxc3 2. Rxe1+ Qxe1 3.
>>>>					Bxc2+ Kc1 4. Bxc3 Rxg4 5. Bxb2+
>>>>					Qxb2 6. Nxf3 Qhxf3
>>>>0:27	1/4	27.23	2248065		1. Nxc3+ Qaxc3 2. Rxe1+ Qxe1 3.
>>>>					Bxc2+ Qxc2 4. Bxb2+ Nd3 5. Qdxd3+
>>>>					Qed2 6. Nxf3 Qcxd3+ 7. Qgxd3
>>>>1:19	2/5	30.51	6857417		1. Nxc3+ Qaxc3 2. Rxe1+ Qxe1 3.
>>>>					Bxc2+ Qxc2 4. Bxb2+ Nd3 5. Qgxd3+
>>>>					Rd2 6. Qdxf3+ Qhxf3 7. Qxf3+ Qee2
>>>>					8. Nxc4 Qexf3 9. Qxc2+ Kxc2 10.
>>>>					Qxa2
>>>>4:50	2/6	Mate10	25540594	1. Nxc3+ Qaxc3 2. Rxe1+ Qxe1 3.
>>>>					Bxc2+ Qxc2 4. Bxb2+ Nd3 5. Qgxd3+
>>>>					Rd2 6. Qaxc2+ Qxc2 7. Qgxf3+ Qfxf3
>>>>					8. Qdxf3+ Qxf3 9. Qxf3+ Qe2 10.
>>>>					Qfxe2#
>>>>8:43	3/7	Mate10	41570060	1. Nxc3+ Qaxc3 2. Rxe1+ Qxe1 3.
>>>>					Bxc2+ Qxc2 4. Bxb2+ Nd3 5. Qgxd3+
>>>>					Rd2 6. Qaxc2+ Qxc2 7. Qgxf3+ Qfxf3
>>>>					8. Qdxf3+ Qxf3 9. Qxf3+ Qe2 10.
>>>>					Qfxe2#
>>>>
>>>>Steve
>>>
>>>I suspect that you should try to increase the value of the ss
>>>parameter(selective search).
>>>
>>>Using the default value is a mistake and I know that chessmaster6000 is usually
>>>faster with ss=10 so I believe that the same is truth for chessmaster8000.
>>>
>>>My experience tells me that with ss=10 I never see depthes like 2/5 or 3/7 but
>>>only 1/5 and usually also 1/7 so I guess that you used the default ss=6.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>Yes, I usually use the default personality with 16MB hash to solve mate problems
>>like this.  I have a personality I've been experimenting with, CM8999, which
>>uses SS=10 and 16MB hash.  It solves the mate in 30 seconds less time:
>>
>>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>>0:01	1/3	19.11	75985		1. Rxe1+ Qxe1 2. Nxc3+ Qcxc3 3.
>>					Bxc2+ Kc1 4. Bxc3 Rxg4 5. Bxb2+
>>					Qxb2 6. Nxf3 Qhxf3
>>0:12	1/4	22.32	1037835		1. Rxe1+ Qxe1 2. Nxc3+ Qexc3 3.
>>					Bxc2+ Kc1 4. Qfxf4+ Bxf4 5. Bxc3
>>0:19	1/4	26.54	1599743		1. Nxc3+ Qaxc3 2. Rxe1+ Qxe1 3.
>>					Bxc2+ Qxc2 4. Bxb2+ Nd3 5. Qdxd3+
>>					Rd2 6. Qxc2+ Qxc2 7. Qxf3+ Qhxf3
>>					8. Nxf3 Bxe6 9. Nxe6
>>1:41	1/5	30.69	8989417		1. Nxc3+ Qaxc3 2. Rxe1+ Qxe1 3.
>>					Bxc2+ Qxc2 4. Bxb2+ Nd3 5. Qgxd3+
>>					Rd2 6. Qgxf3+ Qhxf3 7. Qxf3+ Qee2
>>					8. Nxc4 Qfxf3 9. Rxe2 Qxe2
>>4:20	1/6	Mate10	25762076	1. Nxc3+ Qaxc3 2. Rxe1+ Qxe1 3.
>>					Bxc2+ Qxc2 4. Bxb2+ Nd3 5. Qgxd3+
>>					Rd2 6. Qaxc2+ Qxc2 7. Qdxf3+ Qfxf3
>>					8. Qgxf3+ Qxf3 9. Qxf3+ Qe2 10.
>>					Qfxe2#
>>6:19	1/7	Mate10	37976728	1. Nxc3+ Qaxc3 2. Rxe1+ Qxe1 3.
>>					Bxc2+ Qxc2 4. Bxb2+ Nd3 5. Qgxd3+
>>					Rd2 6. Qaxc2+ Qxc2 7. Qdxf3+ Qfxf3
>>					8. Qgxf3+ Qxf3 9. Qxf3+ Qe2 10.
>>					Qfxe2#
>>
>>Steve
>
>And since Chest found that "there is no mate in 9", we now also know,
>that the above mate is shortest possible.
>(On a K7/600 with 350 MB hash Chest used 10.5 hours for the above.)
>
>Cheers,
>Heiner

Thanks, Heiner! Before I indicate that it could be mate in 10 but now I wrote it
as a sure thing.

Cheers,
Leonid.



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