Author: Albert Silver
Date: 11:40:24 06/20/01
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On June 20, 2001 at 13:12:52, Chris Carson wrote:
>On June 20, 2001 at 12:30:24, Albert Silver wrote:
>
>>On June 20, 2001 at 12:09:42, Mark Young wrote:
>>
>>>On June 20, 2001 at 11:48:05, Albert Silver wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 20, 2001 at 11:38:57, Mark Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On June 20, 2001 at 11:21:14, Albert Silver wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On June 20, 2001 at 10:54:47, Mark Young wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The rules are different. In the USCF, to become a master, you simply have to
>>>>>>>>get your rating over 2200. Nothing else. In FIDE, to become a GM, you have to
>>>>>>>>get your rating over 2500 _and_ produce a 2600+ TPR over a bunch of games.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>pretty simple, really...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bob what Fide standards do you use for calling computers GM's at 5 min and 30
>>>>>>>min chess? You want to site the Fide standards for your claim on this, and I
>>>>>>>will retract my own standards for 40/2hours, and what Fide standard has a
>>>>>>>computer made for you claim that computers are International masters.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Is Bob Hyatt the only one who can come up with his own standards. Very
>>>>>>>Hypocritical.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nonsense. We all have our own standards. All these discussions are only about
>>>>>>our own opinions anyhow. He never said Fide announced they were blitz GMs and
>>>>>>OTB IMs. He stated this as his opinion. What else could it be? There's no such
>>>>>>thing as a GM-strength title is there? As to differentiating between Blitz and
>>>>>>40/2 I *really* don't understand your arguments at all, with all due respect. Do
>>>>>>you really intend to argue that blitz results are somehow indicative of 40/2
>>>>>>results?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just as a sidenote, I don't think you will convince him they are GMs (or
>>>>>>GM-strength) by starting 257 threads on the subject with tons of stats on how
>>>>>>weak GMs can sometimes be or become. For example, one of your threads states
>>>>>>Westerinen was less than 2500 Elo some 25 years ago. So what? How does this
>>>>>>suddenly make Deep Junior, or any program for that matter, a GM?
>>>>>
>>>>>I will answer your question when you answer this....
>>>>
>>>>Np.
>>>>
>>>>>How does Bob Hyatt claim
>>>>>that computers are IM's at 40/2 and GM's 5 min and 30 min chess.
>>>>
>>>>How? Simple. It's his opinion. You can agree with it or not.
>>>>
>>>>>What Fide
>>>>>standards or any standards did he use to make those claims,
>>>>
>>>>Although there may be plenty of factors involved in its formulation, I suspect
>>>>the standard Bob used was.... his opinion.
>>>>
>>>>>and if you apply
>>>>>what ever standard fairly Bob used to claim computer are GM at fast time
>>>>>controls. Why does this not make Computers GM at 40/2?
>>>>
>>>>Why? Because, it's not his opinion. BTW, why does this bother you so much? So he
>>>>doesn't think PC programs are GMs, so what? Besides, I for one would still like
>>>>to understand why fast time results should in any way reflect 40/2 results.
>>>
>>>Why does it bother you that I do think computers are GM's?
>>>
>>>1. You Whine about the number of post, yet you and other keep posting to them. I
>>>assume this means we are still discussing this issue, so stop whining.
>>>
>>>2.You whine about the statistics, but you ask us to prove our points. So we do,
>>>Sorry you don’t like the results.
>>>
>>>3. This is a computer Chess club FORUM. It is opened to any chess computer
>>>topic. If you do not like the topic, don't read it or post to it. There are
>>>other people here who want to. The World does not move to Albert Silver wishes,
>>>so stop whining.
>>>
>>>4. You can always leave, no one is stopping you. If you dislike the topic(s)
>>>being discussed in this open forum.
>>
>>
>>:-) Chris once said in RGCC that you can tell when someone has run out of
>>arguments because they start personal attacks. So, I'll just conclude with this
>>small note: *I* think PC programs on top hardware or GM-strength. Why you think
>>I have a problem with your opinion of PC programs is a mystery to me. I don't.
>>*You* have a problem with Bob's opinion though. You have made this crystal clear
>>with numerous threads calling his attention to this. In fact all these threads
>>aren't about the opinions of the majority, or a even a minority. Since all this
>>revolves around changing his opinion alone, the question lends itself: why does
>>it matter so much? It's only an opinion.
>>
>> Albert
>
>Albert,
>
>Impressive. :) I have not posted on RGCC in a long time. :)
>
>Best Regards,
>Chris Carson
Sorry, I meant Chris W.
A.S.
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