Author: Chris Carson
Date: 10:12:52 06/20/01
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On June 20, 2001 at 12:30:24, Albert Silver wrote: >On June 20, 2001 at 12:09:42, Mark Young wrote: > >>On June 20, 2001 at 11:48:05, Albert Silver wrote: >> >>>On June 20, 2001 at 11:38:57, Mark Young wrote: >>> >>>>On June 20, 2001 at 11:21:14, Albert Silver wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 20, 2001 at 10:54:47, Mark Young wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>The rules are different. In the USCF, to become a master, you simply have to >>>>>>>get your rating over 2200. Nothing else. In FIDE, to become a GM, you have to >>>>>>>get your rating over 2500 _and_ produce a 2600+ TPR over a bunch of games. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>pretty simple, really... >>>>>> >>>>>>Bob what Fide standards do you use for calling computers GM's at 5 min and 30 >>>>>>min chess? You want to site the Fide standards for your claim on this, and I >>>>>>will retract my own standards for 40/2hours, and what Fide standard has a >>>>>>computer made for you claim that computers are International masters. >>>>>> >>>>>>Is Bob Hyatt the only one who can come up with his own standards. Very >>>>>>Hypocritical. >>>>> >>>>>Nonsense. We all have our own standards. All these discussions are only about >>>>>our own opinions anyhow. He never said Fide announced they were blitz GMs and >>>>>OTB IMs. He stated this as his opinion. What else could it be? There's no such >>>>>thing as a GM-strength title is there? As to differentiating between Blitz and >>>>>40/2 I *really* don't understand your arguments at all, with all due respect. Do >>>>>you really intend to argue that blitz results are somehow indicative of 40/2 >>>>>results? >>>>> >>>>>Just as a sidenote, I don't think you will convince him they are GMs (or >>>>>GM-strength) by starting 257 threads on the subject with tons of stats on how >>>>>weak GMs can sometimes be or become. For example, one of your threads states >>>>>Westerinen was less than 2500 Elo some 25 years ago. So what? How does this >>>>>suddenly make Deep Junior, or any program for that matter, a GM? >>>> >>>>I will answer your question when you answer this.... >>> >>>Np. >>> >>>>How does Bob Hyatt claim >>>>that computers are IM's at 40/2 and GM's 5 min and 30 min chess. >>> >>>How? Simple. It's his opinion. You can agree with it or not. >>> >>>>What Fide >>>>standards or any standards did he use to make those claims, >>> >>>Although there may be plenty of factors involved in its formulation, I suspect >>>the standard Bob used was.... his opinion. >>> >>>>and if you apply >>>>what ever standard fairly Bob used to claim computer are GM at fast time >>>>controls. Why does this not make Computers GM at 40/2? >>> >>>Why? Because, it's not his opinion. BTW, why does this bother you so much? So he >>>doesn't think PC programs are GMs, so what? Besides, I for one would still like >>>to understand why fast time results should in any way reflect 40/2 results. >> >>Why does it bother you that I do think computers are GM's? >> >>1. You Whine about the number of post, yet you and other keep posting to them. I >>assume this means we are still discussing this issue, so stop whining. >> >>2.You whine about the statistics, but you ask us to prove our points. So we do, >>Sorry you don’t like the results. >> >>3. This is a computer Chess club FORUM. It is opened to any chess computer >>topic. If you do not like the topic, don't read it or post to it. There are >>other people here who want to. The World does not move to Albert Silver wishes, >>so stop whining. >> >>4. You can always leave, no one is stopping you. If you dislike the topic(s) >>being discussed in this open forum. > > >:-) Chris once said in RGCC that you can tell when someone has run out of >arguments because they start personal attacks. So, I'll just conclude with this >small note: *I* think PC programs on top hardware or GM-strength. Why you think >I have a problem with your opinion of PC programs is a mystery to me. I don't. >*You* have a problem with Bob's opinion though. You have made this crystal clear >with numerous threads calling his attention to this. In fact all these threads >aren't about the opinions of the majority, or a even a minority. Since all this >revolves around changing his opinion alone, the question lends itself: why does >it matter so much? It's only an opinion. > > Albert Albert, Impressive. :) I have not posted on RGCC in a long time. :) Best Regards, Chris Carson
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