Author: Albert Silver
Date: 09:30:24 06/20/01
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On June 20, 2001 at 12:09:42, Mark Young wrote:
>On June 20, 2001 at 11:48:05, Albert Silver wrote:
>
>>On June 20, 2001 at 11:38:57, Mark Young wrote:
>>
>>>On June 20, 2001 at 11:21:14, Albert Silver wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 20, 2001 at 10:54:47, Mark Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>The rules are different. In the USCF, to become a master, you simply have to
>>>>>>get your rating over 2200. Nothing else. In FIDE, to become a GM, you have to
>>>>>>get your rating over 2500 _and_ produce a 2600+ TPR over a bunch of games.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>pretty simple, really...
>>>>>
>>>>>Bob what Fide standards do you use for calling computers GM's at 5 min and 30
>>>>>min chess? You want to site the Fide standards for your claim on this, and I
>>>>>will retract my own standards for 40/2hours, and what Fide standard has a
>>>>>computer made for you claim that computers are International masters.
>>>>>
>>>>>Is Bob Hyatt the only one who can come up with his own standards. Very
>>>>>Hypocritical.
>>>>
>>>>Nonsense. We all have our own standards. All these discussions are only about
>>>>our own opinions anyhow. He never said Fide announced they were blitz GMs and
>>>>OTB IMs. He stated this as his opinion. What else could it be? There's no such
>>>>thing as a GM-strength title is there? As to differentiating between Blitz and
>>>>40/2 I *really* don't understand your arguments at all, with all due respect. Do
>>>>you really intend to argue that blitz results are somehow indicative of 40/2
>>>>results?
>>>>
>>>>Just as a sidenote, I don't think you will convince him they are GMs (or
>>>>GM-strength) by starting 257 threads on the subject with tons of stats on how
>>>>weak GMs can sometimes be or become. For example, one of your threads states
>>>>Westerinen was less than 2500 Elo some 25 years ago. So what? How does this
>>>>suddenly make Deep Junior, or any program for that matter, a GM?
>>>
>>>I will answer your question when you answer this....
>>
>>Np.
>>
>>>How does Bob Hyatt claim
>>>that computers are IM's at 40/2 and GM's 5 min and 30 min chess.
>>
>>How? Simple. It's his opinion. You can agree with it or not.
>>
>>>What Fide
>>>standards or any standards did he use to make those claims,
>>
>>Although there may be plenty of factors involved in its formulation, I suspect
>>the standard Bob used was.... his opinion.
>>
>>>and if you apply
>>>what ever standard fairly Bob used to claim computer are GM at fast time
>>>controls. Why does this not make Computers GM at 40/2?
>>
>>Why? Because, it's not his opinion. BTW, why does this bother you so much? So he
>>doesn't think PC programs are GMs, so what? Besides, I for one would still like
>>to understand why fast time results should in any way reflect 40/2 results.
>
>Why does it bother you that I do think computers are GM's?
>
>1. You Whine about the number of post, yet you and other keep posting to them. I
>assume this means we are still discussing this issue, so stop whining.
>
>2.You whine about the statistics, but you ask us to prove our points. So we do,
>Sorry you don’t like the results.
>
>3. This is a computer Chess club FORUM. It is opened to any chess computer
>topic. If you do not like the topic, don't read it or post to it. There are
>other people here who want to. The World does not move to Albert Silver wishes,
>so stop whining.
>
>4. You can always leave, no one is stopping you. If you dislike the topic(s)
>being discussed in this open forum.
:-) Chris once said in RGCC that you can tell when someone has run out of
arguments because they start personal attacks. So, I'll just conclude with this
small note: *I* think PC programs on top hardware or GM-strength. Why you think
I have a problem with your opinion of PC programs is a mystery to me. I don't.
*You* have a problem with Bob's opinion though. You have made this crystal clear
with numerous threads calling his attention to this. In fact all these threads
aren't about the opinions of the majority, or a even a minority. Since all this
revolves around changing his opinion alone, the question lends itself: why does
it matter so much? It's only an opinion.
Albert
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