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Subject: Re: Kasparov - Deep Blue Bxh7!!

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 08:16:33 06/22/01

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On June 22, 2001 at 10:50:01, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On June 22, 2001 at 10:37:18, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On June 22, 2001 at 10:35:10, Harald Faber wrote:
>>
>>>On June 22, 2001 at 08:28:01, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hello,
>>>>
>>>>My dual has searched past few days at next position:
>>>>
>>>[D]2rr2k1/pp1qnppp/2n1p3/3p4/1bPP3P/1P2RNP1/PB3P2/1BRQ2K1 w - - 0 1
>>>>kasparov-deep blue 1996  bxh7!!
>>>>
>>>>Here is the result of the current diep version (threats on, recaptures
>>>>on, checks on, SE on, etcetera on):
>>>>
>>>>dual PIII800 150mb hash
>>>>01:39:58 0 0 415044900 (74138755) 14 0.468 a2-a3 Bb4-a5 b3-b4 Ba5-c7 Qd1-d3 Ne7-
>>>>g6 h4-h5 Ng6-f8 h5-h6 g7-g6 b4-b5 Nc6-a5 c4xd5
>>>>++ b1-h7
>>>>04:59:23 0 0 1234506378 (199255362) 14 0.767 Bb1xh7 Kg8xh7 Nf3-g5 Kh7-g6 Qd1-d3
>>>>Ne7-f5 g3-g4 Kg6-f6 g4xf5 e6xf5 a2-a3 Bb4-e7 c4xd5 Qd7xd5 Re3-e1 Be7-d6 Qd3-f3
>>>>
>>>>It is busy 42 hours now to get a new mainline for Bxh7 at 17 ply,
>>>>so i guess it has seen more than 10 billion nodes now.
>>>>
>>>>Score is 0.828 for Bxh7 after 17 hours though and my expectation is that
>>>>to get the next PV i need to wait another 40 hours at least, and that the
>>>>score hasn't changed too much, and i need my dual now to do other things!
>>>
>>>
>>>So you want to say that you just need a 50x faster machine (or 100x to be safe)
>>>that your Diep plays like Kasparow (:-)))) and makes the move in a tournament
>>>game? :-)
>>
>>Deep Blue's score of 0.00 was not correct.
>>
>>Note that a3 c5 b4 also wins chanceless for white, as proven by Kasparov
>>and obvious for any chessplayer.
>>
>>Nevertheless Bxh7 is a cool shot for white.
>
>Note that DB's score was a hell of a lot more correct than yours.  IE when it
>played its last move, it _expected_ Bxh7 and had seen a repetition.  Whether the
>draw was forced or not, it saw it after a couple of minutes from the move before
>where you are searching.  How long did it take you to get an idea Bxh7 was
>good?  Just how well do you compare to DB?  Back up one move and let your
>program search until it sees Bxh7 for your _opponent_.  Then you will begin to
>see how deeply they could search.
>
>You are at the wrong position and it _still_ takes you forever to find Bxh7.

It takes him a long time because Diep needs to see that Bxh7 gives an advantage
for white and not only repetition.

I believe that if you let Diep to search only Bxh7 it can see at least 0.00 at
clearly smaller depth.

Uri



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