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Subject: Re: Kasparov - Deep Blue Bxh7!!

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 07:50:01 06/22/01

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On June 22, 2001 at 10:37:18, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On June 22, 2001 at 10:35:10, Harald Faber wrote:
>
>>On June 22, 2001 at 08:28:01, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>My dual has searched past few days at next position:
>>>
>>[D]2rr2k1/pp1qnppp/2n1p3/3p4/1bPP3P/1P2RNP1/PB3P2/1BRQ2K1 w - - 0 1
>>>kasparov-deep blue 1996  bxh7!!
>>>
>>>Here is the result of the current diep version (threats on, recaptures
>>>on, checks on, SE on, etcetera on):
>>>
>>>dual PIII800 150mb hash
>>>01:39:58 0 0 415044900 (74138755) 14 0.468 a2-a3 Bb4-a5 b3-b4 Ba5-c7 Qd1-d3 Ne7-
>>>g6 h4-h5 Ng6-f8 h5-h6 g7-g6 b4-b5 Nc6-a5 c4xd5
>>>++ b1-h7
>>>04:59:23 0 0 1234506378 (199255362) 14 0.767 Bb1xh7 Kg8xh7 Nf3-g5 Kh7-g6 Qd1-d3
>>>Ne7-f5 g3-g4 Kg6-f6 g4xf5 e6xf5 a2-a3 Bb4-e7 c4xd5 Qd7xd5 Re3-e1 Be7-d6 Qd3-f3
>>>
>>>It is busy 42 hours now to get a new mainline for Bxh7 at 17 ply,
>>>so i guess it has seen more than 10 billion nodes now.
>>>
>>>Score is 0.828 for Bxh7 after 17 hours though and my expectation is that
>>>to get the next PV i need to wait another 40 hours at least, and that the
>>>score hasn't changed too much, and i need my dual now to do other things!
>>
>>
>>So you want to say that you just need a 50x faster machine (or 100x to be safe)
>>that your Diep plays like Kasparow (:-)))) and makes the move in a tournament
>>game? :-)
>
>Deep Blue's score of 0.00 was not correct.
>
>Note that a3 c5 b4 also wins chanceless for white, as proven by Kasparov
>and obvious for any chessplayer.
>
>Nevertheless Bxh7 is a cool shot for white.

Note that DB's score was a hell of a lot more correct than yours.  IE when it
played its last move, it _expected_ Bxh7 and had seen a repetition.  Whether the
draw was forced or not, it saw it after a couple of minutes from the move before
where you are searching.  How long did it take you to get an idea Bxh7 was
good?  Just how well do you compare to DB?  Back up one move and let your
program search until it sees Bxh7 for your _opponent_.  Then you will begin to
see how deeply they could search.

You are at the wrong position and it _still_ takes you forever to find Bxh7.



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