Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 17:44:26 06/25/01
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On June 25, 2001 at 14:40:05, Uri Blass wrote:
>On June 25, 2001 at 11:47:52, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On June 25, 2001 at 10:24:08, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>
>>>On June 25, 2001 at 10:11:20, Ralf Elvsén wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 25, 2001 at 09:03:27, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Now" I played this curious game. Why this? ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>Have fun. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>Nemeth,E - Crafty 18.10 (with trojan check) [B20]
>>>>>Stufe=Blitz:10'. Stuttgart, 25.06.2001
>>>>>
>>>>> 58MB, General.ctg. P600
>>>>> 1.e4 c5 2.e5 Sc6 0.05/10 17 3.f4 d6 -0.01/11 16 4.Sf3 dxe5 0.00/9 14
>>>>>5.fxe5 a6 0.08/9 13 6.Sc3 Dc7 0.00/9 16 7.Sd5 Dd8 0.00/10 10 8.Sc3 Dc7
>>>>>0.00/10 29 9.Sd5 Dd8 0.00/11 12 10.Sc3 ½-½
>>>>>
>>>>>Endposition:
>>>>>
>>>>>[D]r1bqkbnr/1p2pppp/p1n5/2p1P3/8/2N2N2/PPPP2PP/R1BQKB1R b KQkq -
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>[Event "Blitz:10'"]
>>>>>[Site "Stuttgart"]
>>>>>[Date "2001.06.25"]
>>>>>[Round "?"]
>>>>>[White "Nemeth,Eduard"]
>>>>>[Black "Crafty 18.10"]
>>>>>[ECO "B20"]
>>>>>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>>>>>
>>>>>1. e4 {0} c5 {0} 2. e5 {4} Nc6 {0.05/10 17} 3. f4 {3} d6
>>>>>{-0.01/11 17} 4. Nf3 {2} dxe5 {0.00/9 14} 5. fxe5 {2} a6
>>>>>{0.08/9 14} 6. Nc3 {4} Qc7 {0.00/9 17} 7. Nd5 {4} Qd8
>>>>>{0.00/10 11} 8. Nc3 {2} Qc7 {0.00/10 29} 9. Nd5 {2} Qd8
>>>>>{0.00/11 12} 10. Nc3 {2} 1/2-1/2
>>>>>
>>>>>Eduard
>>>>
>>>>I guess you had the contempt factor set to zero. To make Crafty
>>>>show you the contempt you deserve, set it to e.g. -20 or -30 :)
>>>>(centipawns if I remember it right)
>>>>
>>>>Ralf
>>>
>>>Hi!
>>>
>>>Yes, what You say is right. But contempt for Crafty 18.10 is "standard"
>>>on Zero. Why this??
>>>
>>>Eduard
>>
>>
>>The main reason is SSDF testing and others playing comp vs comp matches. If
>>crafty doesn't know it is playing a computer, it won't know to set the contempt
>>to 0.00 (which is what I _always_ use in comp vs comp games). It is safer to
>>set it to 0 as the default, and then tell humans to set it correctly. And on
>>a chess server it is dynamically set when xboard/winboard tells crafty the
>>opponent's server rating...
>
>Is there something wrong with using the rating of the opponent for the contempt
>also when the opponent is a computer?
>
>I think that you are not going to be happy with a draw against a computer
>program when the program is weaker and Crafty plays against programs that are
>clearly weaker then it because of hardware and software.
>
>Uri
I simply don't believe it is "safe". I can't think of _any_ program I would
like to give a .3 positional edge to, and assume I can overcome that and draw
or win the game.
I used to do this, but it because pretty obvious it is a bad idea...
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