Author: Martin Schubert
Date: 06:35:45 06/26/01
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On June 26, 2001 at 09:20:46, Chris Carson wrote: >On June 26, 2001 at 09:06:42, Andrew Williams wrote: > >>Over the last month, there have been a number of such huge arguments. >>I've always thought that it's a bit strange to get hung up on this >>question. Five years ago, it was clear that the best micro programs >>were not at GM strength. And presumably if you wait five years, PC >>programs will have proven beyond any doubt that they are at GM strength. >>Surely the time we happen to be living in is the best and most enjoyable, >>because we're perhaps seeing a moment of transition between these positions. >>Why then the need to convince anybody of anything when you can just sit >>there and be proved right by waiting? Is there some particular benefit to >>being able to say that PC programs are GMs *now*? >> >>Andrew > >I do not care if they are or they are not GM's. I do care what ELO strength >they are. > The problem with the ELO is that there's the danger to compare things you can't compare. ELO is one number for chess between humans. Computers play totally different chess. So the ELO you get for a computer depends on what kind of games you play. If the players are experienced in playing computers. Of course if you let a top program play against players which are not very experienced playing against computers you'll get a good rating. You wouldn't get such a good rating when letting the program play against more experienced players. A lot of people are very interested in ELO. But it's just one number! You can't put every knowledge about chess just in one number. So IMO it's far more interesting to ask where can computers help the humans and where can't they instead of just looking at one number. Martin >Why not determine what the strength is now? I made a statement 2 years ago >about the strength on 500Mhz machines and was challenged to provide more than >one game to prove my point. I did that. > >Why is it so important to wait 5 years? > >If it is not important to you. Great, don't read the posts, I ignore a lot of >stuff on this board that is not important to me. :) > >Best Regards, >Chris Carson
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