Author: CLiebert
Date: 15:20:50 07/16/01
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On July 16, 2001 at 13:33:57, José Carlos wrote: >On July 16, 2001 at 12:16:30, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On July 16, 2001 at 11:00:16, ERIQ wrote: >> >>>On July 16, 2001 at 06:35:07, CLiebert wrote: >>> >>>>On July 16, 2001 at 02:26:53, ERIQ wrote: >>>> >>>>>maybe the problem w/ chessbase interface and wb engines is that, bigbrother does >>>>>not care about them performing at their best. >>>>> >>>>>Why should they ?! wb engines are free, they don't make money from them but they >>>>>compete strongly w/ fritz,nimzo, etc. their *bread and butter* products. >>>>> >>>>>So if wb-engines somehow get dumbed down alittle great. I guess that justifys >>>>>the price of "pro" engines. >>>>> >>>>> sign, >>>>> Eriq >>>> >>>> >>>>First: Why do you think CB put efforts in developing the adapter? >>>I don't and that's the problem >> >>Some people know only to complain. >> >>Chessbase did not have to give winboard adapter. >>It is something they gave for free. >> >>People buy Junior,Fritz or Tiger not for the winboard adapter. > > I think you are completely wrong here. People are asking for a winboard >tournament manager for a long time now. CB is a nice interface with tournament >support. The more engines people can run under a GUI, and the more features the >GUI offer, the more people is going to buy it. > CB is a commercial company. They make decisions in order to make money. If >they give a WB adapter for free, is _only_ because they expect to sell more this >way. I'd do the same, of course; but I'd be honest, and would give a WB adapter >that wouldn't hurt free engines strength. That's the point. > >>With no effort about adapter programs like yace could not work under chessbase. >>> >>>>Second: there are a lots of engines showing no difference in playing strenght. >>>>If programmers a willing and able to optmize their engines for fritz they could >>>>do this. Borgstädt did it for Goliath, Kai Skibbe for gromit, other examples are >>>>Anmon, Faile or TCB. The Natives and wb-adapter-versions of these engines are >>>>quite at the same level in pratice, >>> >>>>did you try one of them? >>> >>> yes, YACE no pondering >> >>Yace can ponder under the right winboard adapter. >>I understood from reading posts here that some people made a downgrade of the >>aspater so winboard programs cannot ponder and it is not only a problem of yace >>and with the old adapter that is free yace has no problem of pondering. >> >>I have no idea who did the downgrade of the adapter and what is the >>reason(probably a bug in something that was not tested). >>> >>>>But if you like to hold on you big brother theories, feel free ... >>> >>>does anyone else find it strange that if other interfaces can be made to work >>>well w/ all wb-engines IE. (chess acadamy), but not CB "the biggest company". >> >>No >> >>If I find something strange then it is the fact that winboard engines can run >>under chessbase or under other companies. > > Nothing strange, Uri. They'll sell more if they support more engines. > >>Please understand that most people do not buy chessbase products or products of other companies in order to run free programs. That´s right, Uri! For the massmarket it is absolutly meaningless if fritz supports 20 native engines or further 30 wb-adapter-engines. 20 or 50 engines - who believes that this makes any difference for selling the program outside the freak-scene? I can´t image that many custumers at mediamarkt or saturn asking for support of wildcat, nejmet, quark or 30 other wb-engines. To Andreas: >But it's a lot of work and testing to make a engine works fine under CB. May be for most of the amateurs this might be true. But a semi-professional like Michael said f. ex. that it was not very difficult doing this for LG and he did it very well (and fast). This means if knowing how it is possible on principle without big efforts. >It's much more easy, to make the CB Winboard interface 100% winboard compatible, like in Chess Academy, than to change/optimze the interface in about 100 engines for CB. Feist/Wuellenweber do not like the wb-stuff very much so I believe they won´t invest more time to come from 95% to 98%. And somebody who looks for a maximum of performance won´t ask for winboard engines, he would ask for tiger, fritz, junior, etc. But may be UCI will rule in a few years, who knows... BTW: what about Holmes? Regards Christan
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