Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 12:38:03 05/05/98
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On May 05, 1998 at 04:36:16, Moritz Berger wrote: >************************************************** >Thorsten, you are knowingly misrepresenting facts. >************************************************** Your idea. I don't think so. >*ALL* (read: all) Windows programs use their own (read: proprietary) >auto232 compatible "mechanisms". Exactly. And the programs can be bought running autoplayer-compatible in ANY shop. I can buy Mchess7 and connect it with CSTal on my autoplayer and study it, the autoplayer , or whatever. This is not possible with fritz. Right ? The autoplayer is not public. >Every program has its own implementation of the autoplayer driver, the >only requirement is compatibility with the existing (read: DOS) version. CSTal got its driver from austria. Chrilly Donninger send it to chris. Chris had to send one unit of CSTal to austria that they were able to make it working. They later published anything about this interface. They help and support people to do so. This was not possible for ChessBase ? WHY ? >For the paranoid among us: The fact that Chrilly Donninger and Stefan >Meyer-Kahlen have publicized the source codes (not executables, binary >files, but C programs(!)) of 2 different (!) auto232 drivers for Windows >(read: 32 bit Windows, not 16 bit Windows, hence not usable without >modifications by Fritz) doesn't ensure at all that Shredder and Nimzo >(both Windows programs) do in fact use exactly those drivers - if you >consider e.g. the bugfixes in the latest Nimzo patch you might conclude >that the probability is indeed quite high that they did not just copy >and paste the public sourcecode into their programs but made some >modifications. Since nobody complains about the MODIFICATIONS and since the programs WITH THE MODIFICATIONS ARE to buy in ANY SHOP since they are published, I DON'T UNDERSTAND your point. >Thorsten's statement >>No - when Fritz5 implemented the auto232 device, THAN anything is ok. >therefore is utterly impossible to fulfill, ever, by any Windows >programmer, since there is no such thing as "the auto232 device". The auto232 player needs special output of the text-string and special commands supported. The win32 code by Stefan that is open for any chess programmer gives example how to do it for win programs. You know exactly what I am talking about , instead you want counting words and defintions. If you would have bought an auto232-autoplayer-set at Gambit-Soft or Dieter Steinwenders Computer-Schach and Spiele Shop, you would know what I am talking about. It is a commercial PRODUCT ! You don't know it ? >The "slap in the face" statement from Thorsten therefore is really a >slap in the face - in the face of truth. Again - the autoplayer232 is a product !! You want to tell me now that this thing is NOT REAL and only an idea to torture you and chessBase ? I would advise you consider about your own statements Moritz. They don't make sense to me. >The sad thing about this is that I informed Thorsten about exactly these >technical aspects in a recent telephone call. The sad thing is that you don't understand : if they want to implement it, they have to make it ok, so that nobody else thinks there is a manipulation. They have to sell the program WITH this interface, so that any customer proves that the interface is ok. This is the way it is done with all programs I know, Genius5, Mchess7, Hiarcs6, Rebel9, Diogenes, Wchess, ... Don't you understand this ??? >"Why the hell" does Thorsten chose to cheat here by repeating his >ignorant ramblings? He ought to know better by now, and I'm sure he >does. But there seem to be truly special rules for ChessBase if it comes >to him ... His behaviour reminds me of the church's official attitude >towards the discoveries of Gallilei, a position which they upheld for an >amazing 400 years. Let's see how long it takes for Thorsten to admit >certain facts ... ;-) I am atheist. I am not catholic. Bad example Moritz. You should not try this. The fact remains: the did not implement the usual auto232 interface. If so - why have so many programmers complains ? Because they are all suddenly are all catholic and want to torture ChessBase=Galileo Galilei? Good example you choose. ChessBase is the victim. We are the ugly catholic church, hunting bitches. Brilliant. I don't think that ChessBase is the victim. They KNEW from the beginning that this would cause trouble. Experts like Moritz Berger could have advised them that this will never work. Since you even don't understand NOW, I see that the advise you gave them was wrong. All your words cannot change this. >This is beyond any kind of controversial discussion, this is *facts* vs. >*fiction*. Explain this to Richard Lang / Chrilly Donninger / Stefan Meyer Kahlen / Marty Hirsch / Ed Schroeder ... Suddenly the whole world seems to be Ficticious. And the only realists live in ChessBase world...
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