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Subject: Re: Wanted: Deep Blue vs. today's top programs recap

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 11:48:30 08/27/01

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On August 26, 2001 at 08:00:36, Uri Blass wrote:

>
>This is not my conclusion.
>There are logfiles and we can get impressions which program is better based on
>the logfiles.
>
>Deeper blue was a union of hardware and software.
>
>You cannot conclude from one part(hardware) about the level of the all thing.
>We also do not know the exact details about the hardware.
>
>number of nodes per second is not enough to know how much it is faster than the
>programs of today.
>
>Deeper blue did not use hash tables in the last plies and the demage from not
>using hash tables should be also be considered when we try to estimate the speed
>difference.

Perhaps this "damage" is really minimal?  IE Junior doesn't hash in the last
ply or two.  Crafty doesn't hash in the q-search.  At the depths they reached,
perhaps the last 4-6 plies don't matter as much.  In fact, think about what
200M nodes per second would do to any reasonable hash implementation.  That
would require 1.6 gigs of memory for each second of search.  For 180 seconds,
you need a bunch of memory.  This helps crafty search deeper on memory-limited
machines.  It might have been a plus for DB too, as if those last few plies
overwrite the hash table terribly, then the search will suffer.  If the table
fills up from the first N plies, then the last few plies won't have any space
so you lose again.

Their solution might not have been elegant, but it _might_ have been optimal
when you notice that there are no 100+ gigabyte machines around yet.  Yet that
is exactly what would be needed for a machine that fast.



>
>There are also other problems.

That might have unexpected solutions...



>
>Uri



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