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Subject: Re: Fine 70 same 7 engines

Author: Odd Gunnar Malin

Date: 02:07:31 09/08/01

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On September 07, 2001 at 23:10:53, Peter McKenzie wrote:

>On September 07, 2001 at 22:08:27, Odd Gunnar Malin wrote:
>
>>
>>I don't have his position but I have another 'quadrat position' like the Fine 70
>>with a not so obvious first move, well it is Kb1 but that must be a coincidence
>>:)
>>
>>[D]2k5/2p2p2/2p1p3/2P1PpP1/1p1P1p2/1P3P2/1K3P2/8 w - - 0 1
>>White wins. 1.Kb1!
>
>Are you sure?
>I ran it through LambChop, and the prefered move was switching between Kb1 and
>Kc2 with a score of around 0.4 for each move.  Then at depth 25 I got a fail
>high on Kc2, returning a score of 1.6.
>
>As I write, the same score has popped up for Kc2 at depth 26 too...
>

The position is from Averbach's book on pawn endgames. In my german version is
in on p.378.
I have tried to follow other path than that Averbach's solution but they all end
in draw.

Here is his solution.
The quadrat:
White: e2=1, d2=2, e1=3, d1=4
Black: b7=1, a7=2, b8=3, a8=4

You can shifting this quadrat two sqaures so. f.ex white also has a quadrat on
c2=1, b2=2, c1=3, b1=4.

Die kürzesten Wege bestehen hier aus jeweils acht Feldern:
c4-d3-e2-f1-g2-h3-h4-h5 bzw. a5-a6-b7-c8-d7(d8)-e7(e8)-f8-g7.
Die Paare c4-d3 und h4-h5 können nicht als Basisfelder genommen werden, weil sie
kein Verbindungsfeld besitzen. Zur Wahl stehen die Felderpaare d3-e2 (a6-b7 bei
Schwarz) oder e2-f1 (b7-c8 bei Schwarz). In beiden Fällen erhälten wir das
Quadratsystem mit übereinstimmenden Hauptzonen.
1.Kb1! (jetzt muss Schwarz das Feld 1 oder 3 betreten) 1...Kb8 2.Kc1 Ka8 3.Kd1
Kb8 4.Ke1 Kb7 5.Ke2, und Weiss gewinnt.

Running through www.freetranslation.com:

The shortest ways consist here of respectively eight fields:
c4-d3-e2-f1-g2-h3-h4-h5 and/or a5-a6-b7-c8-d7(d8)-e7(e8)-f8-g7. The couples
c4-d3 and h4-h5 cannot be taken as a basis field because they possess no
connection field. To the choice, the field couples d3-e2 (a6-b7 stand in black)
or e2-f1 (b7-c8 in black). In both felling receiving we the square system with
übereinstimmenden head zone. 1.Kb1! (Now must black the field 1 or 3 enter)
1...Kb8 2.Kc1 KA8 3.Kd1 KB8 4.Ke1 KB7 5.Ke2, and white win.

I'm sure V.Deepeven or A.Silver could explain this theorie, I myself must have
some reread of it before I lay out on such a trip.

Odd Gunnar



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