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Subject: Re: Why is SMP not standard in chessprograms?

Author: Slater Wold

Date: 17:56:47 09/25/01

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On September 25, 2001 at 20:13:53, Albert Silver wrote:

>On September 25, 2001 at 19:34:25, Slater Wold wrote:
>
>>On September 25, 2001 at 11:57:44, Albert Silver wrote:
>>
>>>On September 25, 2001 at 10:33:49, Slater Wold wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 25, 2001 at 10:31:17, Jonas Cohonas wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In these times where more and more "regular" people get dual systems, why is it
>>>>>then not standard for chessprograms to run on 1-x amount of processors?
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards
>>>>>Jonas
>>>>
>>>>It is pretty much the standard now.  There are only 2 commercial "top sellers"
>>>>that aren't.  Chessmaster & Rebel.
>>>
>>>Standard? I can only think of 3 commercial programs that support SMP: Deep
>>>Fritz, Deep Junior, and Deep Shredder. Unless they represent the majority of
>>>commercial programs they do not constitute a standard IMO. DF is a special case
>>>as it is not simply an SMP version of Fritz 6, but an upgrade of it. As to the
>>>other two, I somehow doubt their SMP versions outsold their single-cpu versions.
>>>Multi-cpu machines are very far from being the standard, and while they may
>>>certainly be accessible (pricewise) in some countries nowadays, they are a very
>>>very small minority. Most people think in terms of more MHz or GHz as opposed to
>>>more cpus.
>>>
>>
>>How many commercial programs are out there, right now?  Not a *whole* lot.
>>
>>My comment was about, what I consider, the top 5 chess sellers.  Which are:
>>
>>Deep Fritz
>>Deep Junior
>>Deep Shredder
>>Rebel
>>Chessmaster
>>
>>Anyone would have a tough time arguing those aren't the top sellers.  And they
>>are all SMP except 2.
>
>I'll argue with it. I doubt very much Deep Junior outsells plain ol' Junior. I
>also doubt very much that Deep Shredder outsold Shredder. I believe (no numbers
>unfortunately) they have sold less than Hiarcs, Tiger, and Nimzo for example. I
>am only speaking of the 'Deep' versions and not their single-cpu brothers that
>do well. The only exception I can think of _might_ (no numbers unfortunately) be
>Deep Fritz as it not only is an SMP version of Fritz 6, but also an improvement
>of it.
>
>                                      Albert

You're COMPLETLY missing the point.  100%.

I will NOT argue that Junior 7 outsold Deep Junor 7.  Why though?  Obviously
there are more single CPU computers in the world than SMP.  That's pretty
simple.

The first post was about STANDARDS.  Junior, Fritz, Shredder.  THEY HAVE HAVE
DUAL SUPPORT.

Regardless how much they sell, THEY OFFER YOU THAT OPTION.  As Chessmaster and
Rebel DO NOT.

You could even argue that having an "SMP counterpart" has somewhat become the
standard, as far as the commercial programs go.  NOT DO TO SELLS, BUT DO TO THE
FACT THAT MOST HAVE SMP VERSIONS.

I hope this clarifies a little bit.


Slate

>
>>
>>I don't believe SMP is the standard at all.  Most people I see here post with
>>eval's from Deep Fritz, are doing so on single processor machines.
>>
>>But duals are getting more and more standard.  Quake, the best selling PC game
>>ever, now supports SMP.  That right there should tell you something.
>>
>>Slate
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>It takes a lot of work to get a program to use SMP, and use it correctly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Slate



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