Author: Albert Silver
Date: 07:50:50 09/26/01
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On September 25, 2001 at 20:56:47, Slater Wold wrote:
>On September 25, 2001 at 20:13:53, Albert Silver wrote:
>
>>On September 25, 2001 at 19:34:25, Slater Wold wrote:
>>
>>>On September 25, 2001 at 11:57:44, Albert Silver wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 25, 2001 at 10:33:49, Slater Wold wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On September 25, 2001 at 10:31:17, Jonas Cohonas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>In these times where more and more "regular" people get dual systems, why is it
>>>>>>then not standard for chessprograms to run on 1-x amount of processors?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Regards
>>>>>>Jonas
>>>>>
>>>>>It is pretty much the standard now. There are only 2 commercial "top sellers"
>>>>>that aren't. Chessmaster & Rebel.
>>>>
>>>>Standard? I can only think of 3 commercial programs that support SMP: Deep
>>>>Fritz, Deep Junior, and Deep Shredder. Unless they represent the majority of
>>>>commercial programs they do not constitute a standard IMO. DF is a special case
>>>>as it is not simply an SMP version of Fritz 6, but an upgrade of it. As to the
>>>>other two, I somehow doubt their SMP versions outsold their single-cpu versions.
>>>>Multi-cpu machines are very far from being the standard, and while they may
>>>>certainly be accessible (pricewise) in some countries nowadays, they are a very
>>>>very small minority. Most people think in terms of more MHz or GHz as opposed to
>>>>more cpus.
>>>>
>>>
>>>How many commercial programs are out there, right now? Not a *whole* lot.
>>>
>>>My comment was about, what I consider, the top 5 chess sellers. Which are:
>>>
>>>Deep Fritz
>>>Deep Junior
>>>Deep Shredder
>>>Rebel
>>>Chessmaster
>>>
>>>Anyone would have a tough time arguing those aren't the top sellers. And they
>>>are all SMP except 2.
>>
>>I'll argue with it. I doubt very much Deep Junior outsells plain ol' Junior. I
>>also doubt very much that Deep Shredder outsold Shredder. I believe (no numbers
>>unfortunately) they have sold less than Hiarcs, Tiger, and Nimzo for example. I
>>am only speaking of the 'Deep' versions and not their single-cpu brothers that
>>do well. The only exception I can think of _might_ (no numbers unfortunately) be
>>Deep Fritz as it not only is an SMP version of Fritz 6, but also an improvement
>>of it.
>>
>> Albert
>
>You're COMPLETLY missing the point. 100%.
>
>I will NOT argue that Junior 7 outsold Deep Junor 7. Why though? Obviously
>there are more single CPU computers in the world than SMP. That's pretty
>simple.
>
>The first post was about STANDARDS. Junior, Fritz, Shredder. THEY HAVE HAVE
>DUAL SUPPORT.
I suppose it depends on how you approach the question. When someone says
standard, that means the majority in my understanding. If you argue that the
standard means that a SMP version of the program exists, fine, as 3 programs
_also_ come in SMP versions. But since you must specifically buy an SMP version
of those programs (barring DF), that comes in a package that _doesn't_ include
the single-cpu version, I consider these "Deep" versions to be separate
products. As I do not see these "Deep" products making up the majority of users
or sales (granted the future will most likely change this), they do not a
standard make. Still, if the question is whether an SMP version is available at
all, then I agree. In the future though, no doubt this will be very much the
norm.
Albert
>
>Regardless how much they sell, THEY OFFER YOU THAT OPTION. As Chessmaster and
>Rebel DO NOT.
>
>You could even argue that having an "SMP counterpart" has somewhat become the
>standard, as far as the commercial programs go. NOT DO TO SELLS, BUT DO TO THE
>FACT THAT MOST HAVE SMP VERSIONS.
>
>I hope this clarifies a little bit.
>
>
>Slate
>
>>
>>>
>>>I don't believe SMP is the standard at all. Most people I see here post with
>>>eval's from Deep Fritz, are doing so on single processor machines.
>>>
>>>But duals are getting more and more standard. Quake, the best selling PC game
>>>ever, now supports SMP. That right there should tell you something.
>>>
>>>Slate
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>It takes a lot of work to get a program to use SMP, and use it correctly.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Slate
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