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Subject: Re: Old on new, New on slower

Author: José Carlos

Date: 04:22:26 10/18/01

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On October 17, 2001 at 15:28:30, Christophe Theron wrote:

>On October 17, 2001 at 14:56:16, Chris Taylor wrote:
>
>>I have played Fritz 3.10 against newish progams.
>>F3 ran on an AMD 1200 inside F6 gui, using General.ctg
>>1 x 1200 played against the PIII 733, the other played against the AMD 800
>>The opponants
>>
>>PIII 733 Gambit Tiger 2.0, WcraftyP3 1811.  This was offered as optimised for
>>P3...
>>Tiger ran with its own book, in F6 gui.  Wcrafty's book is from Bob's site.
>>Crafty ran under Remi Coulom's wbenging0047, with full auto232.
>>
>>AMD 800 Junior 4.6, Junior 6. Both versions of Junior ran under F6 gui, with
>>Junior.ctg
>>
>>
>>One of the oldest programs, that can run on my newest machines.  Versus some
>>newish stuff.
>>
>>Game in 1 hour...
>>
>>Junior 4.6 v Fritz 3.10 4-2
>>Junior +3 -1 =2
>>
>>Junior 6 v Fritz 3.10   4½-1½
>>Junior +3 -0 =3
>>
>>Gambit Tiger 2.0 v Fritz 3.10 5½-½
>>Tiger +5½ -0 =1
>>
>>WcraftyP3 1811 v Fritz 3.10 4-2
>>Crafty +3 -1 =2
>>
>>Just a small sample of games.  Anyone wanting the pgn file of 24 games is
>>welcome to it.
>>
>>Chris Taylor
>
>
>
>Is anybody still wondering if there have been progress in chess programming in
>the last years?
>
>
>
>    Christophe

  I don't say there isn't. It'd be absurd. But a couple of remarks:

  a. Your statement seems to imply that such a small number of games proves "the
progress". I guess I got you wrong because you always claim a lot of games are
needed to make any conclusion.
  b. If by "progress in chess programming" you mean "software-only progress"
(whatever that means -that concept is beyond my understanding, because I always
optimize my code for a certain kind of hardware-), no conclusion can be made
without testing in both new and old hardware. For example, if Fritz 3 is to be
evaluated, 486-33 would be a good hardware to test the programs in. Then,
comparing results in both kind of hardware would yield more interesting
conclusions.

  José C.



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