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Subject: Re: Old on new, New on slower

Author: Chris Taylor

Date: 07:58:26 10/18/01

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On October 18, 2001 at 07:22:26, José Carlos wrote:

>On October 17, 2001 at 15:28:30, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On October 17, 2001 at 14:56:16, Chris Taylor wrote:
>>
>>>I have played Fritz 3.10 against newish progams.
>>>F3 ran on an AMD 1200 inside F6 gui, using General.ctg
>>>1 x 1200 played against the PIII 733, the other played against the AMD 800
>>>The opponants
>>>
>>>PIII 733 Gambit Tiger 2.0, WcraftyP3 1811.  This was offered as optimised for
>>>P3...
>>>Tiger ran with its own book, in F6 gui.  Wcrafty's book is from Bob's site.
>>>Crafty ran under Remi Coulom's wbenging0047, with full auto232.
>>>
>>>AMD 800 Junior 4.6, Junior 6. Both versions of Junior ran under F6 gui, with
>>>Junior.ctg
>>>
>>>
>>>One of the oldest programs, that can run on my newest machines.  Versus some
>>>newish stuff.
>>>
>>>Game in 1 hour...
>>>
>>>Junior 4.6 v Fritz 3.10 4-2
>>>Junior +3 -1 =2
>>>
>>>Junior 6 v Fritz 3.10   4½-1½
>>>Junior +3 -0 =3
>>>
>>>Gambit Tiger 2.0 v Fritz 3.10 5½-½
>>>Tiger +5½ -0 =1
>>>
>>>WcraftyP3 1811 v Fritz 3.10 4-2
>>>Crafty +3 -1 =2
>>>
>>>Just a small sample of games.  Anyone wanting the pgn file of 24 games is
>>>welcome to it.
>>>
>>>Chris Taylor
>>
>>
>>
>>Is anybody still wondering if there have been progress in chess programming in
>>the last years?
>>
>>
>>
>>    Christophe
>
>  I don't say there isn't. It'd be absurd. But a couple of remarks:
>
>  a. Your statement seems to imply that such a small number of games proves "the
>progress". I guess I got you wrong because you always claim a lot of games are
>needed to make any conclusion.
>  b. If by "progress in chess programming" you mean "software-only progress"
>(whatever that means -that concept is beyond my understanding, because I always
>optimize my code for a certain kind of hardware-), no conclusion can be made
>without testing in both new and old hardware. For example, if Fritz 3 is to be
>evaluated, 486-33 would be a good hardware to test the programs in. Then,
>comparing results in both kind of hardware would yield more interesting
>conclusions.
>
>  José C.

I only did a taster, a small sample. I did not want to tie the computers up for
a week per match up.  Just so there could be a clearer result.  Over 4 programs
all giving Fritz 3 the beating, it seems a strong indication of old on shows
little improvment

I would like to take this further.  If I could get or borrow a pair of slow
computers and then run the test with new programs on old slow computers.  Then I
will go ahead.

A question I have would the likes of Tiger, Fritz 6, etcetera, run on an old
computer?  Are they not compiled for the new stuff.

The slowest computer I can get my hands on is a P 150.  I can buy this for £35.
It would not even be a waste of money as I could do word-pro on it.

I see so many variables in speed, program opimization, would it be worthwhile?

Chris



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