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Subject: Re: My defenition of anti comp

Author: Slater Wold

Date: 14:21:48 11/08/01

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On November 08, 2001 at 16:29:21, Otello Gnaramori wrote:

>On November 08, 2001 at 13:56:51, Slater Wold wrote:
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>>On November 08, 2001 at 12:13:07, Jonas Cohonas wrote:
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>>>It is actually quite simple: most people who have played frequently against a
>>>prog have tried "weird" openings which the comp did not understand and most of
>>>those people know how to make the prog go in to positions where it does not
>>>shine bright, it is obviously quite individual, from the responses i got to my
>>>post, how people define "anti comp", therefore if anyone takes the challenge it
>>>should be under the agreement that the person does not use hi's or her's
>>>variation of anti comp play, just play the board trying to find the best
>>>possible move from and equal position.
>>>
>>>Regards
>>>Jonas
>>>
>>>PS: before this goes out of hand, i fell like making a legal disclaimer :)
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>>Jonas, let's play a game of chess!
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>>As soon as we start, I will try to play an opening I know better.  I will try to
>>get us into a position that you (hopefully) won't understand as well as I do.
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>>I think that's the point of chess.  You do what you have to, in order to win.
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>...to exploit the weakness of the adversary (that's written in my old chess
>book)...but you miss the point of Jonas : he means "Let's play against a comp as
>if it would be an human"  .e.g.:
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>1) don't try to close positions too much to avoid tactics tricks.

I do this all the time in 1/0.

>2) don't try the trick of dutch stonewall attack .

Most computers don't fall for this anymore.  Not as bad anyway.

>3) don't try to exit the book too early to mislead the comp.

I've seen some pretty wacky openings in h vs h games.  And I even try some
*weird* openings from time to time against other humans.

>etcetera ... the classic weaponry of anticomps specialist :
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>If you want to learn more , here is an useful link :

I know *ALL* about anti-comp tricks.  But these are all pretty useless nowadays.
 IMHO.

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>http://home.att.net/~theb8ts/jims/chess.htm
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>Regards.

I understand what Jonas is saying.  I understand 100%.  What I don't understand,
is why it matters.  If you can "trick" a computer a win, then that means the
computer needs more work.

I'd be willing to put some money on DJ7 and my computer vs *any* GM, IM, or
person at this forum.  And they can use *ANY* tactics they like.  :)

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>>Slate
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>>>This is my own attempt to define "anti comp" play, it be objective, subjective
>>>or whatever come to mind, it is still just an opinion on my behalf.
>>>If you accept the challenge and find a winning sac then of course be my guest
>>>and kill the comp, i have no personal issues involved in this challenge: it is a
>>>mere suggestion, take it or leave, i am open for debate though :)
>>>
>>>Regards
>>>Jonas



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