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Subject: Re: A test position to see if your program is materialistic(most are not

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 06:13:54 11/12/01

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On November 12, 2001 at 08:02:23, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:

>On November 12, 2001 at 06:22:04, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>This position could happen in my crrespondence game
>>
>>[D]2r2rk1/p3q1pp/1p6/2bp1p2/4n3/1P2P1P1/PB3PBP/1QR1RbK1 w - - 0 25
>>
>>If your program plays Bxe4 then it is materialistic(Bxe4 is the only move that
>>does not lose material)
>>
>>If it plays Rxf1 then it is not materialistic
>>
>>It seems that most programs are not materialistic based on the test that I did.
>>I guess also that most humans are not materialistic here and are going to prefer
>>Rxf1
>>
>>Uri
>
>Sjeng plays Bxe4 here. The difference between that and Rxf1 is 0.20 pawns.
>
>Basically, it does not believe f3 is a significant enough weakness if
>black does not have the right bishop.
>
>Is being materialistic intrinsically 'bad' here?

I do not know
I prefer to sacrifice because white has a pair of bishops but I am not sure if I
am right.

Fortunately I was black in the game and did not have to consider this position
because my opponent chose a different move.

I analyze the game now when the game is practically over because I want to give
comments for the game.

I may try to give programs a long time to search the position after Bxe4 fxe4
Rxf1 in order to know better if white has big problems in that position.

I will be happy if other people are going to do this task.


Here is the analysis of an interesting position from this game
I played Fritz's move Be2 and my opponent chose Rxd5 when this move is losing a
pawn because of Deep tactics

The relevant lines after 23...Be2 24.Rxd5 are
24...Qf7 25.Re5 Rcd8 and white can choose between 2 non trivial ways to lose a
pawn:

26.g4 fxg4 27.Rxe4 Qxf2+ 28.Kh1 Bf3 29.Bxf3 Qxf3+ 30.Kg1 g3
and 26.Bh3 Bd3 27.Qa1 Qh5

In the game white chose 26.Rcxc5 and not one of these two options that are
probably worse.

Dov Rozenberg - Uri Blass
[D]2r2rk1/p3q1pp/bp6/2bp1p2/4n3/1P2P1P1/PB3PBP/1QRR1NK1 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Deep Fritz:

23...Bxf1--
  =  (-0.06)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
23...Bxf1--
  =  (-0.06)   Depth: 1/5   00:00:00
23...Qe6!
  =  (-0.16)   Depth: 1/13   00:00:00
23...Qe6!
  =  (-0.25)   Depth: 1/13   00:00:00
23...Qe6 24.Bd4 Bxf1
  =  (-0.19)   Depth: 2/11   00:00:00
23...Qe6 24.Bd4 Bxf1 25.Bxf1 Bxd4
  =  (-0.19)   Depth: 3/17   00:00:00  1kN
23...Qe6 24.Qa1 Bxf1 25.Rxf1 Qg6
  =  (-0.16)   Depth: 4/17   00:00:00  8kN
23...Rfd8!
  =  (-0.19)   Depth: 4/18   00:00:00  11kN
23...Rfd8! 24.Bd4 Be2 25.Re1
  ³  (-0.28)   Depth: 4/18   00:00:00  14kN
23...Rfd8 24.Bd4 Be2 25.Re1 Bxd4 26.exd4
  =  (-0.25)   Depth: 5/20   00:00:00  28kN
23...Rfd8 24.Rc2 Qe6 25.Bd4 Re8 26.b4 Bxf1
  =  (-0.22)   Depth: 6/24   00:00:00  88kN
23...Qe6!
  =  (-0.25)   Depth: 6/24   00:00:00  126kN
23...Qe6 24.Qa1 Rf7 25.Rc2 Re7 26.Bd4 Rec7
  ³  (-0.28)   Depth: 7/22   00:00:00  400kN
23...Qe6 24.b4 Bxf1 25.Rxf1 Be7 26.Qa1 Bf6 27.Bxf6 Rxc1 28.Rxc1 Rxf6
  =  (-0.03)   Depth: 8/27   00:00:01  1126kN
23...Rfd8!
  =  (-0.06)   Depth: 8/27   00:00:01  1198kN
23...Rfd8! 24.Rc2 Qe6 25.Bd4 Re8 26.b4 Bxf1 27.Bxf1 Bxd4 28.Rxd4
  =  (-0.22)   Depth: 8/27   00:00:02  1326kN
23...Rfd8 24.Rc2 Qe6 25.Bd4 Re8 26.b4 Bxf1 27.Bxf1 Bxd4 28.Rxd4 a5
  =  (-0.19)   Depth: 9/27   00:00:03  2621kN
23...Rcd8!
  =  (-0.22)   Depth: 9/29   00:00:07  4625kN
23...Rcd8 24.Qc2 Qf7 25.Bd4 Ba3 26.Bb2 Rc8 27.Qb1 Bxb2 28.Qxb2 Bxf1 29.Bxf1
  =  (-0.13)   Depth: 10/31   00:00:13  8747kN
23...Rfd8!
  =  (-0.16)   Depth: 10/31   00:00:14  9468kN
23...Rfd8! 24.Rc2 Qe6 25.Qa1 Rd7 26.a3 Re7 27.b4 Bd6 28.Rxc8+ Bxc8
  =  (-0.19)   Depth: 10/31   00:00:18  12283kN
23...Rfd8 24.Rc2 Qe6 25.a3 Be7 26.b4 Rxc2 27.Qxc2 Rc8 28.Qa4
  =  (-0.16)   Depth: 11/32   00:00:40  27486kN
23...Rcd8!
  =  (-0.19)   Depth: 11/32   00:00:42  29000kN
23...Rcd8 24.Qc2 Qf7 25.Bd4 Ba3 26.Bb2 Rc8 27.Qb1 Bxb2 28.Qxb2 Bxf1 29.Bxf1
  =  (-0.19)   Depth: 12/32   00:01:24  58818kN
23...Be2!
  =  (-0.22)   Depth: 12/35   00:02:30  106588kN
23...Be2! 24.Rxd5 Qf7 25.Re5 Rcd8 26.g4 Bd3 27.Qa1 fxg4 28.Rxe4 Bxe4
  ³  (-0.31)   Depth: 12/35   00:02:36  110705kN
23...Be2 24.Rxd5 Qf7 25.Re5 Rcd8 26.g4 Bd3 27.Qa1 fxg4 28.Rxe4
  ³  (-0.31)   Depth: 13/35   00:03:12  136667kN
23...Be2 24.Rxd5 Qf7 25.Re5 Rcd8 26.g4 Bd3 27.Qa1 fxg4 28.Rxe4 Bxe4 29.Bxe4
  ³  (-0.31)   Depth: 14/38   00:05:49  249392kN
23...Be2 24.Rxd5 Qf7 25.Re5 Rcd8 26.g4 Bd3 27.Qa1 fxg4 28.Rxe4 Bxe4
  ³  (-0.31)   Depth: 15/38   00:15:32  652289kN
23...Be2 24.Rxd5 Qf7 25.Re5 Rcd8 26.Bh3 Bd3 27.Qa1 Ng5 28.Bg2 Be4
  ³  (-0.28)   Depth: 16/41   00:47:45  1996592kN
23...Be2 24.Rxd5 Qf7 25.Re5 Rcd8 26.Bh3 Bd3 27.Qa1 Ng5 28.Bg2 Be4
  ³  (-0.38)   Depth: 17/43   02:34:34  6595123kN
23...Be2 24.Re1 Bxf1 25.Rxf1 Nd2 26.Bxd5+ Kh8 27.Qd3 Nxf1 28.Kxf1 Qg5 29.Kg2
  ³  (-0.38)   Depth: 18/46   07:04:16  18289177kN

(Blass, Tel-Aviv 26.04.2001)

Uri



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