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Subject: Re: Easy pawn ending for computers ?!

Author: K. Burcham

Date: 08:15:33 11/18/01

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On November 18, 2001 at 10:34:12, Uri Blass wrote:

>On November 18, 2001 at 10:14:09, Rafael Andrist wrote:
>
>>On November 18, 2001 at 10:03:15, piet de hoop wrote:
>>
>>>The next position occured in Diep versus Rebel Century 4 round 6 of the Dutch
>>>Open Computer Chess 2001
>>>
>>>[D] 8/6p1/3k3p/8/3K4/7P/8/8 b - - 0 43
>>>
>>>The result was a draw, but for some computerprograms I tried, the evaluation was
>>>from -1 to -3.4 pawn. (Fritz 6.0, Crafty,Yace)
>>>
>>>I expect that programs equipped with the right pawntable base have no problem
>>>with this position, but i expected that programs without these tablebase while
>>>calculating over 30 plys or more should give the right evalution?
>>>
>>>Or do i miss something?
>>>
>>
>>If the program doesn't know it is a draw, then Black won't give his extra pawn
>>away in the search. To recognize a draw by 50 move rule, several hundreds of
>>plys are necessary.
>
>I think that it is possible to prove a draw by repetition in less plies.
>I did not check it but my intuition tells me that the black king has not too
>many squares to defend the pawns so it seems that less than 100 plies are needed
>for a repetition or losing a pawn for black even after considering the fact that
>the black pawns may go forward every few plies to avoid repetition.
>
>Uri


shredder5 shows depth of 4/8 for draw in 0 time on its clock with tablebases.
Engine: Shredder 5

  4.00	 0:00 	+0.01 	1...g5 2.h4 (26) 0.3
best move: g7-g5 time: 0:00.074 min  n/s: 471  nodes: 33 TB: 53

below shredder5 shows same. i cleared position learning, cleared hash.
deleted path to tablebases. not sure why it shows same eval.

tablebases with 0 pieces found! [Cache: 10 MB + internal 0.00 MB]
endgame databases: 0

  4.00	 0:00 	+0.01 	1...g5 2.h4 (26)
best move: g7-g5 time: 0:00.005 minnodes: 33

kburcham




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