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Subject: Re: Questions on dual machines

Author: Slater Wold

Date: 18:58:57 11/20/01

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On November 20, 2001 at 21:50:32, Uri Blass wrote:

>On November 20, 2001 at 15:37:39, Slater Wold wrote:
>
>>On November 20, 2001 at 11:25:50, Gordon Rattray wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>[snip]
>>>
>>>Thanks for the helpful info!
>>>
>>>>This is the speedup I see:
>>>>
>>>>Crafty 1.89x
>>>>Junior 7 1.81x
>>>>Deep Fritz 1.31x
>>>>Deep Shredder 1.81x
>>>
>>>This is a surprising and disappointing efficiency for Deep Fritz.  So, when
>>>playing on ICC, do you consider Deep Junior 7 to be your strongest option?  I'm
>>>assuming that if you have, e.g. Gambit Tiger, then Junior's SMP capability will
>>>give it a significant edge when using your dual, since GT is non-SMP.
>>>
>>>Gordon
>>
>>I thought so too.  Deep Fritz SMP code is broken somewhere.  That's why I
>>laughed when I heard it was going to be on an 8-way box.  It would have run like
>>crap.  Unless Frans fixed it.
>
>The question for the match against kramnik is the speed up that they get on long
>time control and not in blitz.
>I do not know how people got the numbers of speedup for Crafty,Fritz ,Junior and
>Shredder

A 900mhz 8-way box is not going to be impressive with DF.  Not the NPS anyway.

And those are all MY numbers.  Run on my 2x1.4Ghz.

>I think that the way to compare is comparing times and not nodes.

I know it's not.  You can *NOT* compare solutions with SMP machines.  The
branching is SO random, and so unpredicible, that I have found solutions in 10
seconds and not been able to find the same solution in 10 hours.  It's the
beauty of SMP.

>You need to take a test suite from positions when the program changes it's mind
>after some minutes and comparing times.

No.  Won't prove anything.  Say it takes 10 minutes to find on 1 CPU, it might
take 30 seconds to find on 2 CPU's.

>If the numbers are not based on similiar test then my opinion is that they mean
>nothing.

They were based on something.  Program A does 1M nps with 1 CPU.  Program A does
1.81M nps with 2 CPU's.  That means Program A's speedup is 1.81.

>Testing it takes time and you need at least some hours of testing before getting
>an estimate for the speedup (not in blitz).

These were SEVERAL SEVERAL tests I ran.  Positions were usually looked at for no
less than 1 hour.

>Uri



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