Author: Drazen Marovic
Date: 06:25:32 11/28/01
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Something also you may think about is that, sometimes during play one is forced to play an inferior move. The player is well aware that the move is inferior, however it is done in many cases to avoid a draw and allow ones opponent further chances to go wrong. Many times you may see a weaker player having a much better position than his opponent, he offers a draw. The stronger player declines the draw which is seemingly foolhardy, because he knows he is worse, but he believes his opponent will go wrong allowing him to win. Frequently the inferior move makes the position much more complicated, and thus increases winning chances. Further the weaker move does not have to be losing at all, it just make defense more difficult than some other move, but a sportsman takes his chances to win. > >dont get me wrong, i am very well aware that the best we have in this sport is >what we call a super GM. against other humans these guys seem to be >unbelievable. >But today we have our programs exposing their inferior play. no i do not expect >perfect play from a gm or super gm. but we can analyize their games like never >before. gm and super gms have always had the luxury that no one could really >rate their play except another high rated player or another gm. >in the old days, we would try to go through each move of a gm game, we would be >thinking, what is he trying to accomplish here, what is the purpose of this >line, positional, material etc. then when finished we would wonder, well maybe >i missed something, or maybe i dont really understand the position. >but lesser players dont have this problem today. >we have our programs. >i constantly see remarks posted here, about how todays programs "dont >understand" or todays programs "cant see". thats ok too. i also have analyized >many of these positions too, that programs cannot see. there are many of these >examples. and many that post here say todays programs are not gm level. maybe >not----but if you want to see what the true level of a gm or super gm is---just >take some of their games and run them through todays programs. you will see >terrible blunders, many moves that indicate that our very best do not truly >understand many positions. we all respect these guys, but one thing i have >learned about these elite----our programs say that these guys make many >mistakes, and constantly play into positions that they do not understand. > >below is an example. anand passes up this position, and instead plays Qd3. >super gm anand, did not see what todays programs can see. my experience in >analyzing gm games has shown that in most super gm or gm games, there is usually >several moves misunderstood by the players. maybe programs are not GM level, but >todays programs constantly understand positions that GMs dont. > >here it is blacks move, with anand (white) up almost 4 points if he had played >into this position. > > [D] 1r1q1rk1/pPp2pp1/7p/b6Q/3P4/P7/2B2PPP/1RB3K1 b - - > > Engine: Shredder 5 >best move: Qd1-h5 time: 1:07.769 min n/s: 216.023 nodes: 14.638.201 > 8.01 0:00 -2.42 22...f5 23.Bxh6 Qe8 24.Qg5 Qd7 25.Qg3 Bb6 26.Bb3+ Kh7 >27.Bf4 Qe7 28.Bd5 Rfe8 29.Be5 Rbd8 30.Qh3+ Kg6 (196.981) 222.5 > 9.01 0:01 -2.42 22...f5 23.Bxh6 Qe8 24.Qg5 Qd7 25.Qg3 Bb6 26.Bb3+ Kh7 >27.Bf4 Qe7 28.Bd5 Rfe8 29.Be5 Rbd8 30.Qh3+ Kg6 (285.571) 223.9 > 10.01 0:15 -2.58 22...f5 23.Bxh6 Qe8 24.Qg5 Rf7 25.Bb3 Kh7 26.Bxf7 Qxf7 >27.Bxg7 Qxg7 28.Qxf5+ Qg6 29.Qh3+ Kg7 30.Qd7+ Qf7 31.Qc8 Qf8 (3.500.185) 222.6 > 11.01 0:34 -2.83-- 22...f5 23.Bxh6 Qe8 24.Qg5 Rf7 25.Bb3 Kh7 26.Bxf7 Qxf7 >27.Bxg7 Qxg7 28.Qxf5+ Qg6 29.Qh3+ Kg7 30.Rb3 Rh8 31.b8Q Qxg2+ 32.Kxg2 >(7.378.608) 216.9 > 11.01 1:00 -3.15 22...f5 23.Bxh6 Qe8 24.Qg5 Rf7 25.Bb3 Kh8 26.Bxf7 Qxf7 >27.Rb5 gxh6 28.Qxh6+ Qh7 29.Qf6+ Qg7 30.Qh4+ Qh7 31.Qxh7+ Kxh7 32.Rxf5 Bb6 >33.Rh5+ Kg8 34.Rg5+ (13.387.328) 219.9 > 12.01 2:54 -3.40-- 22...f5 23.Bxh6 Qe8 24.Qg5 Rf7 25.Bb3 Kh8 26.Bxf7 Qxf7 >27.Rb5 gxh6 28.Qxh6+ Qh7 29.Qf6+ Qg7 30.Qxf5 Bb6 31.Qe6 (37.246.682) 213.6 > 12.01 4:12 -3.63 22...f5 23.Bxh6 Qe8 24.Qg5 Qd7 25.Qg3 Qxd4 26.Be3 Qg4 >27.Qxg4 fxg4 28.Bxa7 Bb6 29.Bxb6 cxb6 30.Rxb6 Rfe8 31.Kf1 Re7 32.Bb3+ Kf8 >(53.904.887) 213.4 > 12.03 5:49 -3.62++ 22...Be1 23.Be3 Re8 24.Rxe1 Rxb7 25.Qc5 Qf6 26.f3 c6 >27.d5 Rb6 (74.066.905) 211.7 > 12.03 6:31 -3.57 22...Be1 23.Be3 Re8 24.Rxe1 Rxb7 25.Qf5 g6 26.Qf3 Rb2 >27.Be4 (82.405.109) 210.5 > 13.01 10:33 -3.65 22...Be1 23.Be3 Qd7 24.Rxe1 Rxb7 25.Qf3 Rb6 26.Qe4 f5 >27.Qf3 Qd6 28.Bf4 Qxd4 (132.369.299) 209.0 > 13.02 13:30 -3.64++ 22...f5 23.Bxh6 Qe8 24.Qg5 Qd7 25.Qg3 Qxd4 26.Be3 Qg4 >27.Qxg4 fxg4 28.Bxa7 Bb6 29.Bxb6 cxb6 30.Rxb6 Rfe8 31.Kf1 Re7 32.Bb3+ Kf8 33.Bd5 >(169.897.587) 209.7 > 13.02 19:07 -3.63 22...f5 23.Bxh6 Qe8 24.Qg5 Qd7 25.Qg3 Qxd4 26.Be3 Qg4 >27.Qxg4 fxg4 28.Bxa7 Bb6 29.Bxb6 cxb6 30.Rxb6 Rf6 31.Rb4 Rc6 32.Bb3+ >(240.003.656) 209.1 > 14.01 49:18 -3.60 22...f5 23.Bxh6 Qe8 24.Qg5 Qd7 25.Qg3 Qxd4 26.Be3 Qg4 >27.Qxg4 fxg4 28.Bxa7 Bb6 29.Bxb6 cxb6 30.Rxb6 Rfe8 31.Kf1 Kf8 32.Bb3 >(618.461.539) 209.0 > 15.01 165:21 -3.85-- 22...f5 23.Bxh6 Qe8 24.Qg5 Qd7 25.Qg3 Qxd4 26.Bb3+ Kh7 >27.Bf4 g5 28.Qxg5 Qf6 29.Qh5+ Kg7 30.Qf3 Rfe8 31.Qg3+ Kh7 32.Bg5 Qg7 33.Qh4+ Kg6 >34.Bf4 Re1+ 35.Rxe1 (2.046.741.453) 206.2 > 15.01 248:59 -3.86 22...f5 23.Bxh6 Qe8 24.Qg5 Qd7 25.Qg3 Rf6 26.Be3 Kf8 >27.Qh3 Qd5 28.Bg5 Rxb7 29.Rxb7 Qxb7 30.Qh8+ Kf7 31.Qh5+ Kf8 -82.-2 > 15.03 311:41 -3.85++ 22...Be1 23.Be3 Re8 24.Rxe1 Rxb7 25.Qf5 g6 26.Qf3 Rb2 >27.Bxh6 Rxc2 28.Qxf7+ -24.-4 > 15.03 330:03 -3.79 22...Be1 23.Be3 Re8 24.Rxe1 Rxb7 25.Qf5 g6 26.Qa5 c6 >27.Qc3 Rc7 -11.-8 >best move: Ba5-e1 time: 407:24.644 min n/s: 29.247 nodes: 714.947.499 > >kburcham
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