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Subject: Re: more examples for search-based stupidity

Author: Thorsten Czub

Date: 10:37:54 06/15/98

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On June 15, 1998 at 10:37:06, Don Dailey wrote:

>Thorsten,

>You are always implying that you have some special insights

?? Really ?

I only comment on the things we discuss.
If you think I am not on your level, don't talk with me ! :-))

>and
>that others are in some kind of conservative rut.   But all your
>ideas have been on an extremely high level of abstraction.

Right. I am no programmer. I have to talk abstract when I talk about
programming.

> Saying
>"use more knowledge" or "make your program search fewer nodes"
>is not a very coherent plan, and reveals no insight whatsover.

As I said: if you believe I am not the right person to talk with you:
let it be.


>You often use the time honored technique of being critical and
>pointing to the problems and saying it loud enough that no one

I am no fan of secrets, thats true.


>notices you are not presenting any solutions.

There are no SOLUTIONS. You can only come nearer and closer to the point.
We discuss. What do you want. That i talk in source-code with
you about a weak-pawn ?

>  This makes it
>appear that you are privy to a better way when in fact you are
>not.

I hope this is no problem for you. Or is it ? :-))) Of course you know it better
, and YOU say it (was said towards pilatus).

>But you have said nothing we do not already know.

Aha- and therefore you don't talk about it.
Instead you DEFINE chess as tactics. Or positional as inaccurate, unsave.

> Stop attacking us as "materialists" which is
>a gross overstatement of what we actually do.  We are simply
>engineers and will always be writing the strongest programs
>because we will always use the techniques that work best.

If you talk in words to me, in language, like I do, you have to accept that I
comment what you say. stop talking with me. Speak in source-code about your
topics, and I will not talk with you, nor comment. Since I don't know about
source-code. But if you talk in a human-language you have to accept that I talk,
comment on you. If you cannot stand it -


>In my opinion you have no special insights whatsoever on what
>to do about the problems of computer chess.  But if you want
>to prove me wrong, then I am willing to listen to any concrete
>solutions you can present to us.

I don't prove you anything. Thats exactly the job YOU do all the day.
I prove nothing. I join my hobby. With friends. I live my life. And if you talk
language, and I like you, I talk with you. But i will not prove.
You seem to have a problem with your prove-topic there.
All questions and all comments of you materialist refers to PROVE.
Why do you always need prove ?
Can't you live relaxed and happy without proving ?
Kiss your wife. But don't prove it.

>- Don



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