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Subject: Re: more examples for search-based stupidity

Author: Don Dailey

Date: 07:37:06 06/15/98

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On June 15, 1998 at 08:24:44, Thorsten Czub wrote:

>>I think horse hockey is just about the right word for this
>>"mass-energy" nonsense.   It sounds really cool but has no
>>substance.
>>
>>- Don
>
>If you have energy , or an idea, you can make mass out of it.
>If you have energy, or an idea, but you are a bean counter, you will
>fail.
>
>Materialist rely on mass because they can measure it. And they can catch
>it.
>They need to see it. Because they don't believe.
>They put the mass into a safe. To make it saver. To prove it better.
>Because they have no freedom. And no creativity.
>
>In the end they measure, prove, and feel good with making statistics
>about the weight.
>
>If you call energy or an idea
>"no substance"  you make a big mistake.
>Nothing is more dangerous than an idea or energy.
>Therefore the materialists always try to: don't change. Let us do it
>like we have always done it. It's saver !
>Never change !
>
>Any society will learn that conservatism is no value at all.

Thorsten,

You are always implying that you have some special insights and
that others are in some kind of conservative rut.   But all your
ideas have been on an extremely high level of abstraction.  Saying
"use more knowledge" or "make your program search fewer nodes"
is not a very coherent plan, and reveals no insight whatsover.

You often use the time honored technique of being critical and
pointing to the problems and saying it loud enough that no one
notices you are not presenting any solutions.  This makes it
appear that you are privy to a better way when in fact you are
not.

But you have said nothing we do not already know.  Every
programmer on this group knows what the most serious problems
of computer chess are.  And each one of us is keenly interested
in solving them.  Stop attacking us as "materialists" which is
a gross overstatement of what we actually do.  We are simply
engineers and will always be writing the strongest programs
because we will always use the techniques that work best.

The truth of the matter is that if you want to have a TOP program
RIGHT NOW, you MUST have a very fast program with significant
knowledge engineering.  If you want to innovate, experiment and
be able to claim special insights that other do not have, then
you must be content with a program that SUCKS.  If this changes
then the engineers will be right on top of this change and will
conform, because they will always write the best and strongest
programs.

In my opinion you have no special insights whatsoever on what
to do about the problems of computer chess.  But if you want
to prove me wrong, then I am willing to listen to any concrete
solutions you can present to us.

- Don




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