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Subject: Re: --------------> URL

Author: Ricardo Gibert

Date: 16:43:35 02/18/02

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On February 18, 2002 at 16:51:54, Roy Eassa wrote:

>I think you will find that more strong chess players (& chess programmers &
>heavy users of chess software) are likely to prefer this design:
>http://www.sciencedaily.com/index.htm to this design: http://www.submethod.com
>(to use examples already mentioned in this thread).  It may be a
>left-brain/right-brain thing.  I also vote to avoid pop-ups.

How funny! I at first included the sciencedaily link too, but I decided to not
overcomplicate my post and left it out.

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>
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>On February 18, 2002 at 16:35:02, Jonas Cohonas wrote:
>
>>On February 18, 2002 at 16:09:46, Ricardo Gibert wrote:
>>
>>>On February 18, 2002 at 15:36:04, Jonas Cohonas wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 18, 2002 at 15:23:18, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On February 18, 2002 at 14:12:29, Jonas Cohonas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.betachess.dk
>>>>>
>>>>>Lots of clicking without purpose.
>>>>>
>>>>>We can only ask ourselves, "Why?"
>>>>>
>>>>>Right off the bat, I find that I must click on something that says "[enter]".
>>>>>
>>>>>Now, I ask myself the question:
>>>>>
>>>>>Why did I type http://www.betachess.dk if it were not for the purpose of
>>>>>entering the site?
>>>>>
>>>>>Don't hide menus.
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, I guess if you are after some sort of "art neuveau" crowd or something
>>>>>maybe it is the effect you are after.
>>>>>
>>>>>For me, I like it simple.  And the simpler the better.
>>>>
>>>>Actually if my site was any simpler it would be betachess.txt :)
>>>>That is why i hide the menu's, to make it simple.
>>>>The reason you have to enter is that there is a code which makes the window
>>>>pop up in a certain size, this ensures that all resolutions can veiw my site.
>>>>"art neuveau"?? what do you mean, i have no idea.
>>>>
>>>>Regards
>>>>Jonas
>>>
>>>Actually, DC's reponse was right on target. You need to "listen" better, rather
>>>than become defensive.
>>
>>I was not being defensive, just didn't quite understand what he was saying.
>>
>>>By simple, DC means no unnecessary techniques that you really have no
>>>justification for using.
>>
>>Actually there is a justification for this:
>>The "techniques" that i use have a purpuse, the [enter] ensures that the window
>>pops up in the size i want it to 650x500, but i already explained this.
>>
>>>I don't like the [Enter] screen either.
>>>
>>>Too much clicking means you should not require your vistors to click on thing to
>>>see anything. There are a couple of screens that should have presented at least
>>>one menu right off the bat rather than having the user having to activate one.
>>>Be something of a minimalist as far the number of clicks needed from the user to
>>>get around and figure out what to look at. Same goes for hovering the cursor for
>>>information.
>>
>>Actually this is a question of taste, not functionality, by clicking once to
>>enter the site and hovering your curser to navigate is just as functional as
>>anything else, but if you don't like it that's fine and i will take it into
>>consideration.
>>
>>>The first screen after entering is something of puzzle that is very annoying.
>>>Get rid of it. Also, not everybody has broadband, so the large graphic will be
>>>slow for them.
>>
>>It is only 35 Kb........ less than most.
>>
>>>The screens that follow (rating lists, etc.) are to slow on my 800mhz athlon
>>>with a cable modem.
>>
>>Well i know that they take some time to load the first time you load them, about
>>10 sec on a 56 k modem, but next time they should load in 2-3 secs max.
>>
>>>You keep using little tricks without justification. Reminds me of people who
>>>produce a site with a large variety fonts for no good reason. Same sort of
>>>thing.
>>
>>You make it sound like a conspiracy :) what do you mean exactly by "You keep
>>using little tricks without justification" ???
>>I use different "tricks" to make a new approach, not to piss people off.
>>
>>>The following site uses an effective and simple basic design that is very
>>>flexible that I like a lot. Visitor's are immediately presented with a lot of
>>>summary information about what is in the site and are able to make informed
>>>decisions about what to look at in more detail in the rest of the site:
>>>
>>>http://www.theregister.co.uk/
>>
>>I guess we look at effective and simple in different ways :)
>>This is one of my fav's:
>>http://www.blitzds.com
>>And one more:
>>http://www.submethod.com
>>
>>>Another site I like is:
>>>
>>>http://www.sciencedaily.com/index.htm
>>>
>>>There is a lot more I don't like about the site, but it is not worth the trouble
>>>pointing them out. Just remember, simple is better and I don't mean a screens
>>>devoid of useful information. That's annoying.
>>
>>Well i hear what you say, but you sound like you are genuinly annoyed :)
>>
>>Regards
>>Jonas



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