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Subject: Re: Another Clever Problem; Samuel Loyd New York Albion 1857 (SPOILER)

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 10:14:11 03/06/02

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On March 06, 2002 at 13:04:29, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote:

>On March 06, 2002 at 11:56:02, Terry McCracken wrote:
>
>>On March 06, 2002 at 11:30:38, Heiner Marxen wrote:
>>
>>>On March 06, 2002 at 11:20:17, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>>
>>>>[D]8/8/8/8/8/6P1/6k1/4KR1R w
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Mate in 3
>>>>
>>>>Terry
>>>
>>>Yes, clever indeed, but only if you add the king side castling right for white.
>>>Then:
>>>
>>> Rf4 Kxg3 O-O Kh3 R1f3#
>>>     Kxh1 Kf2 Kh2 Rh4#
>>>
>>>I like it :-)
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Heiner
>>
>>Yes, clever indeed, but only if you add the king side castling right for white.
>>
>>That's the point, you _must_ assume when given a problem when the King is on
>>it's initial square along with it's Rook or Rooks  that 0-0 or 0-0-0 is
>>permissible.
>
>You do not have to assume anything, the information is already in the statement
>of the problem. You give the position without telling anything about castling,
>it is not said that it is possible, it is not said that is impossible.
>The fact that is informed that THERE IS a mate in 3 already determines that
>castling on the king side _MUST_ be possible. This is not a trick, the
>information is there.

It is an error in the FEN/EPD string then.  If they want to do something like
that, they should specify it in the problem, or perhaps do something like this:

8/8/8/8/8/6P1/6k1/4KR1R w ? ?




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