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Subject: Re: Another Clever Problem; Samuel Loyd New York Albion 1857 (SPOILER)

Author: Miguel A. Ballicora

Date: 11:46:13 03/06/02

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On March 06, 2002 at 13:14:11, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On March 06, 2002 at 13:04:29, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote:
>
>>On March 06, 2002 at 11:56:02, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>
>>>On March 06, 2002 at 11:30:38, Heiner Marxen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 06, 2002 at 11:20:17, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>[D]8/8/8/8/8/6P1/6k1/4KR1R w
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Mate in 3
>>>>>
>>>>>Terry
>>>>
>>>>Yes, clever indeed, but only if you add the king side castling right for white.
>>>>Then:
>>>>
>>>> Rf4 Kxg3 O-O Kh3 R1f3#
>>>>     Kxh1 Kf2 Kh2 Rh4#
>>>>
>>>>I like it :-)
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>Heiner
>>>
>>>Yes, clever indeed, but only if you add the king side castling right for white.
>>>
>>>That's the point, you _must_ assume when given a problem when the King is on
>>>it's initial square along with it's Rook or Rooks  that 0-0 or 0-0-0 is
>>>permissible.
>>
>>You do not have to assume anything, the information is already in the statement
>>of the problem. You give the position without telling anything about castling,
>>it is not said that it is possible, it is not said that is impossible.
>>The fact that is informed that THERE IS a mate in 3 already determines that
>>castling on the king side _MUST_ be possible. This is not a trick, the
>>information is there.
>
>It is an error in the FEN/EPD string then.  If they want to do something like
>that, they should specify it in the problem, or perhaps do something like this:
>
>8/8/8/8/8/6P1/6k1/4KR1R w ? ?

Sure, but In this case the poster gave (it is in the top of this message)
8/8/8/8/8/6P1/6k1/4KR1R w

That is quite similar to what you suggest. This forum allows to post
incomplete EPDs (or FENs), which is ok for this kind of problem.

Miguel





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