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Subject: Re: Another Clever Problem; Samuel Loyd New York Albion 1857 (SPOILER)

Author: Terry McCracken

Date: 11:07:15 03/06/02

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On March 06, 2002 at 12:51:00, Daniel Clausen wrote:

>Hi
>
>On March 06, 2002 at 11:56:02, Terry McCracken wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>
>>That's the point, you _must_ assume when given a problem when the King is on
>>it's initial square along with it's Rook or Rooks  that 0-0 or 0-0-0 is
>>permissible.
>
>Not at all. If you give a FEN string, all that counts is the FEN string. If the
>FEN string is broken, the problem is broken. If the FEN string indicates
>castling is possible, then castling is possible, otherwise it isn't.
>
>If all you give is the board and castling might be possible (ie both king and
>rook(s) on initial squares) you have to solve the problem (ie mate in X) for
>both cases. The fact that newspapers (and many chess books too) _assume_
>something doesn't mean a thing. There are also problems where the author wants
>you to check both possibilities. (ie "the Chess Mysteries of Sherlock Holmes" by
>Raymond Smullyan - a fantastic books if you're interested in retro-analysis btw)
>One of the problems in the mentioned book is a position (_without_ a FEN string)
>where the problem is to prove that this position is mate in X, although it's not
>possible to actually _show_ the mate. The idea is that the position is mate in
>X, whether castling is possible or not, but the actual moves in these cases
>differ. And since it's not known whether castling is allowed or not, all you can
>say is that it's mate in X. (hope I made some sense here, heh!)
>
>Note: If you use the FEN string in this forum only in order to paint a fancy
>diagram, you can always make a lil remark saying, that we should ignore the FEN
>string and only watch at the diagram. Of course saying this often gives a clear
>hint as to what the idea behind the problem is.
>
>Sargon

Ok then! Well then simply put you must consider castling is a possible option:)
If too much is said, then the problem becomes mundane.

Terry



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