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Subject: Re: To win the wc of computerchess means nothing.

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 10:06:32 03/25/02

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On March 25, 2002 at 10:15:12, stuart taylor wrote:

>On March 24, 2002 at 21:48:48, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On March 24, 2002 at 12:19:56, stuart taylor wrote:
>>
>>>On March 24, 2002 at 10:39:47, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 24, 2002 at 06:56:13, Michael Vox wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On March 23, 2002 at 10:19:21, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Of course, that says _nothing_ about comp vs human competition...
>>>>>
>>>>>Shredder v Gulko 1-0
>>>>>
>>>>>Here are the results from SSDF, which is a statistically significant amount of
>>>>>bot v bot games.
>>>>>
>>>>>1 Shredder 6.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz  2715
>>>>>
>>>>>Based on the facts I think the truth is clear :)
>>>>>
>>>>>Shredder 6.0 is currently the number one program in the world.  However, this
>>>>>could change at some point in the future.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That conclusion is so badly flawed it is almost funny.  How can you conclude
>>>>that when shredder 6 has not played most of the _current_ chess programs?  And
>>>>I'm not talking about the versions that the SSDF has, but the versions that
>>>>each author is currently working on?
>>>>
>>>>No way to make such a statement and have it based on fact.  If you want to
>>>>change it to "S6 is better than any engine the SSDF is testing." then it
>>>>has a better chance of standing up under scrutiny.
>>>
>>>Isn't he talking about all released programs?
>>>S.Taylor
>>
>>
>>Shouldn't he have _stated_ that.  It simply said "number 1, period".
>>
>>And even then it would be wrong.  Fritz 7 has been released since the last
>>WC event.  Shredder doesn't quite seem as strong based on results within the
>>SSDF and elsewhere...
>I thought he was refering to programs which are accesible to the public now. But
>I agree that what he says does not seem exact, according to that, either.
>S.Taylor


Even "current" programs might be better than shredder 6.0...  using an older
WC event (nearly a year old) when there are dozens of new programs out, plus
updates to old programs (such as fritz)...




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