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Subject: Re: Kotronias - Fritz: man over machine

Author: Peter Kasinski

Date: 09:01:34 07/13/98

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On July 13, 1998 at 11:22:45, Guido Schimmels wrote:

>
>On July 13, 1998 at 10:54:34, Shaun Graham wrote:
>
>>On July 13, 1998 at 10:26:24, Guido Schimmels wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>On July 13, 1998 at 05:25:33, Shaun Graham wrote:
>>>...
>>>>Many I.M.s get the grandmaster title simply
>>>>by playing in lots of tournaments in europe, if you are an I.M, and you play
>>>>enough especially in lower category tourneys you will get the 3 GM norms.  In
>>>>the New york open there were several GMs in the under 2400 section, and
>>>>even a couple rated under 2300!!  So is Fritz a GM?
>>>...
>>>
>>>(Caution, may be considered  off-topic  !)
>>>
>>>Yes, GM doesn't necessarily mean a thing today,  the title has become
>>>somewhat inflated.
>>>There are roughly 500 GM's now. At least 400 too much IMHO !
>>>Or does anyone admire or only care about a player ranked 450 in the world
>>>in tennis for example ? And chess is a very marginal competition (sport ?)  !
>>>
>>>Well,  Fritz (or Rebel or ...) could easily pick those 3 GM norms if FIDE
>>>would let them, (play hundreds of tournaments a year if necessary)  !
>>>
>>
>>Thank you man of excellent reasoning ability!  Yes fritz would get that norm,
>>but i seriously doubt it would take hundreds of tourneys, my rough guess would
>>be 50 max
>
>
>Yes, 50 should be enough. Just that it is technically possible to do it, opposed
>to a single human (if you have enough operators and computers), so a computer
>would succeed anyway - eventually.
>
>
>>>I think a player should be rated >2600 for 2 or 3 years before he can be
>>
>>nope you need a rating of 2500, and you need to get the norms that's it.  Also i
>>believe that if you qaulify for the zonals you get the title automatically as
>>Fischer did.  You may also win the World Junior championship which qaulifies you
>>for the title, but that may simply because you are automatically slotted into
>>the zonals.
>
>
>You misunderstood. I know this. Expressed my opinion how I wish it was !
>
>
>>>called a GM (remember, we once started with only 20 GM's !).
>>
>>I thought it was 10, named by, i believe czar Nicholas II but i could be wrong
>

The five finalist of the great St. Petersburg tournament of 1914 were declared
"grandmasters of chess" by the Tsar. The finalists were:

1. Capablanca
2. Lasker
3. Tarrasch
4. Alekhine
5. Marshall

PK



>Don't know the exact number, my  rough memory from years ago.
>My point is, GM should be something really special.
>
>- Guido -



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