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Subject: Re: Kotronias - Fritz: man over machine

Author: Guido Schimmels

Date: 08:22:45 07/13/98

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On July 13, 1998 at 10:54:34, Shaun Graham wrote:

>On July 13, 1998 at 10:26:24, Guido Schimmels wrote:
>
>>
>>On July 13, 1998 at 05:25:33, Shaun Graham wrote:
>>...
>>>Many I.M.s get the grandmaster title simply
>>>by playing in lots of tournaments in europe, if you are an I.M, and you play
>>>enough especially in lower category tourneys you will get the 3 GM norms.  In
>>>the New york open there were several GMs in the under 2400 section, and
>>>even a couple rated under 2300!!  So is Fritz a GM?
>>...
>>
>>(Caution, may be considered  off-topic  !)
>>
>>Yes, GM doesn't necessarily mean a thing today,  the title has become
>>somewhat inflated.
>>There are roughly 500 GM's now. At least 400 too much IMHO !
>>Or does anyone admire or only care about a player ranked 450 in the world
>>in tennis for example ? And chess is a very marginal competition (sport ?)  !
>>
>>Well,  Fritz (or Rebel or ...) could easily pick those 3 GM norms if FIDE
>>would let them, (play hundreds of tournaments a year if necessary)  !
>>
>
>Thank you man of excellent reasoning ability!  Yes fritz would get that norm,
>but i seriously doubt it would take hundreds of tourneys, my rough guess would
>be 50 max


Yes, 50 should be enough. Just that it is technically possible to do it, opposed
to a single human (if you have enough operators and computers), so a computer
would succeed anyway - eventually.


>>I think a player should be rated >2600 for 2 or 3 years before he can be
>
>nope you need a rating of 2500, and you need to get the norms that's it.  Also i
>believe that if you qaulify for the zonals you get the title automatically as
>Fischer did.  You may also win the World Junior championship which qaulifies you
>for the title, but that may simply because you are automatically slotted into
>the zonals.


You misunderstood. I know this. Expressed my opinion how I wish it was !


>>called a GM (remember, we once started with only 20 GM's !).
>
>I thought it was 10, named by, i believe czar Nicholas II but i could be wrong

Don't know the exact number, my  rough memory from years ago.
My point is, GM should be something really special.

- Guido -



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