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Subject: Re: Fritz is a GM

Author: Shaun Graham

Date: 23:30:32 07/13/98

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>>  Not knowing who your opponent is happens all the time i must say that 95% of
>>all the tournament games i have ever played, i knew nothing about my opponent
>>except their name and rating(and sometimes not even that!).  It's not false
>>information, it's lack of information.  Regardless though this lack of
>>information would make you perform as you would normally against a human
>>opponent and that's what we're trying to find out about.  Not knowing your
>>opponent is a computer makes you play typically, and we want to know how a
>>program performs against typical play.  The omnly problem that you may have
>>here, is your ethical stance?  Do you think finding out how a program plays
>>against typical play is worth a hoax?  I'm certainly not advocating that it is,
>>I was just making the point of "Why computers lose"  Thgey don't lose against
>>what we call "grandmaster chess" they lose against "anti computer chess".
>
>
>Bad argument.  that is because you have played "nobodies".  If someone comes
>along that starts beating masters, beats an IM here and there, *every* GM in
>the event will be looking at the games between rounds.  Don't think the GM
>players take it as casual as you do... they don't...

Bad Arguement on your part i'm afraid.   First of all, In most of the swiss
events throughout Europe, the players don't know who they are going to play too
soon before the next round, so any analysis of the players game will be terse at
best.      Further, since you can tell quite little by the examination of one or
even a couple of games, the usage of this info wouldn't play a huge role.
Further GMs who do evaluate, usually look through their database for games of
the opponent.  A new player more than likely wont have to many games in database
until several years of passed, by which Time the player/fritz would have the
norms.  Recently at the world open a player named Khumana supposedly unrated
beat several masters in a row, and drew an IM, though there was interest in him,
most of his opponents if any of them saw the games he had played previously in
the tournament.  Usually there are only 2 score sheets turned in,and they aren't
usually available that quickly.  So Hyatt i really wish you would quit
pretending to know more than you actually know.  I have no doubt that you are
comparatively good in your specific field, so please stop with the fluff, it
just makes it seem if you think your skill is inadequate.  I'm not here to fight
as you are apparently.  Discuss the data, and experimental technique, that's all
that anyone cares about.

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