Author: Don Dailey
Date: 07:53:28 07/14/98
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On July 13, 1998 at 10:54:34, Shaun Graham wrote: >On July 13, 1998 at 10:26:24, Guido Schimmels wrote: > >> >>On July 13, 1998 at 05:25:33, Shaun Graham wrote: >>... >>>Many I.M.s get the grandmaster title simply >>>by playing in lots of tournaments in europe, if you are an I.M, and you play >>>enough especially in lower category tourneys you will get the 3 GM norms. In >>>the New york open there were several GMs in the under 2400 section, and >>>even a couple rated under 2300!! So is Fritz a GM? >>... >> >>(Caution, may be considered off-topic !) >> >>Yes, GM doesn't necessarily mean a thing today, the title has become >>somewhat inflated. >>There are roughly 500 GM's now. At least 400 too much IMHO ! >>Or does anyone admire or only care about a player ranked 450 in the world >>in tennis for example ? And chess is a very marginal competition (sport ?) ! >> >>Well, Fritz (or Rebel or ...) could easily pick those 3 GM norms if FIDE >>would let them, (play hundreds of tournaments a year if necessary) ! >> > >Thank you man of excellent reasoning ability! Yes fritz would get that norm, >but i seriously doubt it would take hundreds of tourneys, my rough guess would >be 50 max > >>I think a player should be rated >2600 for 2 or 3 years before he can be > >nope you need a rating of 2500, and you need to get the norms that's it. Also i >believe that if you qaulify for the zonals you get the title automatically as >Fischer did. You may also win the World Junior championship which qaulifies you >for the title, but that may simply because you are automatically slotted into >the zonals. > >>called a GM (remember, we once started with only 20 GM's !). > >I thought it was 10, named by, i believe czar Nicholas II but i could be wrong The truth of the matter is that any player would get their GM norms given enough tournaments (assuming you could get invited to them!) If you are a 1500 player, you have a tiny but small chance of beating even Kasparov. It's probably one of those things where you would have to play thousands or millions of tournaments in order to make your chances high. The odds of getting a GM NORM if you were a true 1500 player would be astronomically low but still possible. So it's not hard for me to believe by picking the right tournaments Fritz (and other great programs) could achieve this given enough time. It's probably more productive for us to "define" what a grandmaster is in terms of FIDE rating. There is no set number but as long as we are going to speculate anyway, I think this is a less ambiguious question to answer. It should be a somewhat higher number than the lowest rated recent Grandmaster but less than the average Grandmaster. Perhaps something half way? - Don
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