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Subject: Re: Fritz is a GM

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 19:19:22 07/14/98

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On July 14, 1998 at 04:22:50, Howard Exner wrote:

>On July 13, 1998 at 09:42:48, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>
>>last time I looked, a GM *had* to have a rating over 2500.  And we are talking
>>about "IGM" vs "GM" here I assume, since GM is a USCF term, while IGM is a title
>>awarded by FIDE after achieving 3 GM norms in three separate tournaments, plus
>>maintaining a 2500 rating.
>
>Do they have to maintain the 2500 rating? I thought once a GM always a GM.
>
>Also, "GM being a USCF term" has me confused a bit. Is it possible then to be
>a GM on the USCF rating list and not to be listed as a IGM on the FIDE list?

Yes.  FIDE awards "International Master" and "International GrandMaster"
titles.  Local federations award "non-international" titles like GM.  In
the USCF, for example, you simply trip either 2500 or 2550 (don't remember
which) to get the GM title.  USCF has >2200 = Master, >2400 (or 2450) =
Senior Master, and then GrandMaster.

In the USCF, once you break 2200, you become a "life master" even if you drop
below 2200 later.  I don't know about the other titles however...

However, I hope we don't consider "old GM" players in the Fritz argument,
because I *know* Fritz can beat Botvinnik.  The game goes "1. e4 <time forfeit>
since he won't be able to make a move.  :)

I'm talking about "active GM" players that are still "GM" strength.  Playing
an 80 year old GM that is now rated 2300 won't do much toward a GM norm...



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