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Subject: Re: Fritz is a GM

Author: Danniel Corbit

Date: 07:33:34 07/15/98

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On July 14, 1998 at 22:19:22, Robert Hyatt wrote:
[snip]
>However, I hope we don't consider "old GM" players in the Fritz argument,
>because I *know* Fritz can beat Botvinnik.  The game goes "1. e4 <time forfeit>
>since he won't be able to make a move.  :)
>
>I'm talking about "active GM" players that are still "GM" strength.  Playing
>an 80 year old GM that is now rated 2300 won't do much toward a GM norm...
Even this is irrelevant.  If beating a GM made a person a GM, there would be ten
times as many GM's.  GM's don't win *all* of their games, even against non-GM
opponents.  Beating a GM under non-tournament conditions means nothing.  Beating
a GM under tournament conditions does _not_ [reapeat _not_] make a person a GM.
It simply adds points to the player's rankings according to a prescribed
formula.

The original statement is akin to:
Fred: "Joe is a policeman."
Barney: "How do you know?"
Fred: "Joe has a pair of handcuffs.  Policemen have handcuffs.  Joe is a
policeman."

In other words, playing well against a GM is a necessary condition to become a
GM.  But it is not sufficient.

Computer programs will be GM's when they are GM's.  Right now, none of them are.
 That includes Deep Blue.  Deep Blue would probably be a GM if it played in
enough tournaments.  On the other hand, the GM's might learn a weakness and
pound the stuffings out of it.



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