Author: Shaun Graham
Date: 06:30:00 07/15/98
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On July 14, 1998 at 22:08:31, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On July 14, 1998 at 19:46:35, Shaun Graham wrote: > >>On July 14, 1998 at 10:43:27, Don Dailey wrote: >> >>>On July 13, 1998 at 11:57:38, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On July 13, 1998 at 10:30:31, Shaun Graham wrote: >>>> >>>>>PS #2! :) >>>>> >>>>>You don't have to defeat GM's to qaulify for the title, you simply have to >>>>>perform at a certain level in events of a certain category. In swiss system >>>>>tournaments fritz could get paired against almost all 2300-2400 opponents, >>>>>defeat them and have a performance well over 2500 ELO. This isn't even taking >>>>>into consideration, the 1 out of 4 tourneys where fritz would defeat someone of >>>>>the calliber of GM Kotronias. >>>> >>>> >>>>Sorry, but this is mistaken. You have to play in a tournament of a known >>>>"category" and produce a result >= X where X varies based on the category >>>>of the tournament. And it *guarantees* that you are going to have to play >>>>and beat GM's to get the required 3 GM norms... Or you are going to have to >>>>roll over a *bunch* of IM players which is just as good. >>> >>>Hi Shaun, >>> >>>I think Bob is more correct on this one. The problem is that if you >>>continue to beat up on weaker players, then you are virtually guaranteed >>>some pairings with stronger players. I don't think these tournaments >>>have very many weaker players anyway. But if you can "roll over" these >>>weaker players consistantly, then you probably are playing at grandmaster >>>strength. I think it's EXTREMELY unlikely, perhaps impossible to get >>>a GM norm without hanging with the Grandmasters. >> >>Sorry i never said that you wouldn't play any titled players. What i said is >>that you could play a number of 2300-2450 players and beat them, this would give >>you the necessary performance rating, you might play a GM, doesn't mean you are >>going to lose, after all fritz did beat GM Kotronias a game in this match, if >>you extrapolated a bit on that data, you could posit that fritz would beat a GM >>1 in every 4 tournaments, thus giving rather good possibilities of getting a >>norm. Further you have 5 years to acquire the norm, in that time period (less >>most likely) you would have achieved those norms. >>> >>>- Don > > >Does anyone have "FIDE Rules of Chess" lying around? Mine grew legs and >walked a few years ago. But I don't believe you can get a GM norm in a >tournament with *no* GM players participating. There are other things that >go into a tournament's "category", including average rating, but number of >players and lowest rating also plays a part. I just don't have the book around >any longer, but someone can probably solve this part of the argument... Well this isn't really part of the arguement, especially, because as mentioned in the above Fritz-player would be expected to beat some GMs.
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